Could be because I am not management, but I have not recieved any email or info regarding a relocation. I am currently working in an office. Can someone spill the beans on exactly what is going on and if more then management is going to need to relocate?
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If you are customer facing or part of a market based organization such as Market RAN, construction and engineering you will simply report to your currently assigned office location 3 days per week. No real change other than coming in a 3rd day. If you are part of a national or or team it’s not so cut and dry. You may be asked to report to Dallas, Atlanta or one of the 6 hub locations depending where your manager and coworker are located.
Please don't leave Indy, it's a great city. Dallas or Atlanta can't compare. Even if you went to Dallas or Atlanta, it's just a matter of time before at&t goes belly up.
So if we are office designated, we have to go in 3-5 days a week in hub city.
If we are virtual we have to go in 1-5 days a month.
If I am designated as virtual, does that mean I can stay in my current non hub city of Indianapolis, and just go to Indianapolis office 1-5 days a month, or do I have to go to Atlanta or Dallas or some other main hub city office 1-5 days a month?
“ Fact is managers(anything below L6) even in the blessed locations of Atlanta and Dallas are panicking now because people are telling them outright they ain't moving.”
That’s what I told mine. I’m not going back to Dallas. I’ve already lived there and that was enough. I’m not uprooting my family for a company that might fire me as soon as I get there.
You may be asked to report to Dallas, Atlanta or one of the 6 hub locations
If there is a required relocation involved, I would think that relocation can be declined, and the separation treated as a layoff.
Managers of non management desk workers is probably step 2 once they get individual contributiors worked out. If you're an office worker, management or non-managment you should be concerned. They are only allowed to announce non-management surpluses during the 2nd week of the 3rd quarter. Mar 15, June 15, Sept 15 and Dec 15. I would expect these changes in June or Sept. After I turned down a management job,my non management job was surplused and I had to move. I was off payroll before the end of the year. The reason I turned down the mgmt job is because I was retirement eligible and I didnt want to lose my non management retiree healthcare by going into mgmt because I wasn't planning on staying at AT&T for longer than 2-3 years. I'm glad i did because I would be forced to move after I gave up my retiree Healthcare. I'm still not working but life is good and I'm as happy as I've ever been. Best decision ever.
If you are customer facing or part of a market based organization such as Market RAN, construction and engineering you will simply report to your currently assigned office location 3 days per week. No real change other than coming in a 3rd day. If you are part of a national or or team it’s not so cut and dry. You may be asked to report to Dallas, Atlanta or one of the 6 hub locations depending where your manager and coworker are located.
Yawn.
“ Pushing me to an office just to fill a desk while my peers are all located in different parts of the country makes no sense to me. This means if I sit at that desk in an office AT&T pays for either way, there is no improvement with collaboration when no peers sit with me.”
This is a win since you will gain a whole new set of coworkers at your physical location. Your collaboration with other departments may yield T’s next big innovation.
It was announced this action is about real estate costs and collaboration. I get why Stankey is pushing people to utilize space assigned to employees. There are empty buildings AT&T is paying for. However, it does not matter if they are occupied by FTO or not, the cost will always be there for AT&T. The second argument is collaboration. Employees need to see the faces of their co-workers to collaborate better. While this may have been true 2010 and earlier, we are in a new age of virtual presence. We can function well using MS Team's more effectively than walking across the floor to a peers desk to ask a question and find your peer is not there. What I think is happening is a disconnect between employee location and available office space. There has been so many buildings closed over the past 5-10 years, office workers who were virtual or flex now have no place to go so the RTO plan is to correct this. If you don't RTO they will find a way to push you out the door. I have not had a desk assigned to me since 2010. I work at my desk and collaborate virtually just fine with my peers. I am able to perform all my duties from home more effectively than having to drive 60 miles ONE WAY. I maintain an appearance that does not paint me as someone working from home. Pushing me to an office just to fill a desk while my peers are all located in different parts of the country makes no sense to me. This means if I sit at that desk in an office AT&T pays for either way, there is no improvement with collaboration when no peers sit with me.
So 2 things. 1st is we have to go back into the office min 3-5 days a week, only 10% will be allowed to be full time virtual. If in Dallas or atlanta that will begin July 10, other locations will be Sept (if you qualify see part 2). For those of us that are individual contributors, sitting in an office to only be on teams meetings all day just makes no sense. There isn’t now or before any collaboration even among my team members, but whatever.
2nd thing and the biggest - you have to report to a hub location office (atlanta, Dallas or one of the other 7 locations), but even if you live within 50 miles of one, that doesn’t mean you’re safe, it should also be where the team is or where you job is needed, ie. Just because you live in a hub like Atlanta, if your team and job is in Dallas, you’ll either get told you need to move and they may or may not offer relocation. Of course you might get an exception depending on a lot of “needs” of the business. It’s really confusing, but based on our townhall today, “needs of the business” is the guidance.
I would say I told you so. Once you agreed to take the jab so easily, they knew you would do anything they tell you. Now you move and like it. They will cut all benefits, then force you out.
L2 here, I knew of this stuff, but it still is all so unclear I refuse to understand
Layoffs will be a industry constant especially in T - Corey said it (we will continue to adjust our workforce nomatterwhat)
The cold shower was this RTO ... which will hurt the business in many ways unfortunately
Don’t you see the big picture yet? 1st step is to squeeze as managers in Dallas and Atlanta (some in NJ). 2nd step is to get rid of all individual contributors and replace them with ‘employees’ in India. This way only top brass will be in US and all minions will be offshore. That’s king Stanley’s plan.
"L2 "manager" here. As pointed out, most of us don't manage anything. It just means that we are salaried workers who don't get paid for overtime. If we knew what the terms of all of this relocation business meant, we would spill the beans, or someone would... the truth is, nobody has told us the details. My own manager is in the dark as much as I am."
This 100%. I've heard L2 individual contributors have asked their L3/L4 managers if they relocated if there was some guarantee that they wouldn't be laid off at some point. They unwittingly responded with, "no of course you won't be laid off". Fact is managers(anything below L6) even in the blessed locations of Atlanta and Dallas are panicking now because people are telling them outright they ain't moving.
You didn’t get the email from the CEO? You didn’t see the story on Insider? You must not be an employee.
More importantly, managers without local teams reporting to them.
Please re-read my response! I think you are somehow confused!
L2 individual contributors do not have local teams reporting to them.
L2 "manager" here. As pointed out, most of us don't manage anything. It just means that we are salaried workers who don't get paid for overtime. If we knew what the terms of all of this relocation business meant, we would spill the beans, or someone would... the truth is, nobody has told us the details. My own manager is in the dark as much as I am.
Uh huh, why split hairs?
“More importantly, managers without local teams reporting to them.”
Do you not realize most L2s are individual contributors and don’t have direct reports? This most certainly is impacting people that do not have direct reports and sit on national teams
Don't worry about it. This only affects managers. More importantly, managers without local teams reporting to them.