If you were going to the office before Covid, why is it such an issue to come back a mere 3 days of the week in Office? No one told you to sell your car, if you did it to survive because you don’t make enough maybe you need to re evaluate your money management. Branch employees have been dealing with sh_t since this all went down. But seriously you guys are acting like the RTO for just 3 days of the week is the end all be all for you. Newsflash, a lot of F500 companies are shifting back to RTO.
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Wanting to wake up to an alarm clock, in the dark just to force (highly processed and nutritionally-void) food/food-like products down your throat just to sit in a car and curse others out in traffic in your shirt and tie for an hour to do the same thing you could have done at home, comfortably and peacefully, is a sign of low testosterone and you should be ashamed of yourselves. We know who you are by your fruits.
Ppl - you actually believe this RTO S is encouraging DEI cr@p that that company, which I gladly left, is pursuing. THE DEI BS at these companies is a way to destroy morale in those ppl that don't necessarily agree with all the BS being pushed down on us for the sake of a FEW! Let's have a STR8 month or a Caucasian (white) month - I know this will get ppl riled up, the he-l with it, all the races have a month but us :(
I'll all for letting people work where they want, but if you're WFH, get a dang decent internet connection. The amount of disrupted meetings becasue someone's WiFi is spotty is getting old.
I wasn't in office before COVID. Even if I was, all that really matters is the work product and what it takes it get it done. In my group we are necessarily distributed geographically because customers are. When I collaborate, and I do a significant amount every day, it's via electronic means. Driving in to a building to do that makes no Fing sense. When I started this gig I was told that my boss didn't care where I worked, just that I produced and at a high level. That was empowering and I did performe at a high level and got great reviews. I was respected and treated like an adult, and I rewarded the company for that.
Then the NYC thugs took over and intentionally destroyed everything I loved about my job for absolutely zero business benefit. Naturally morale has tanked. No one gives an S about the work anymore, all that matters is the Almighty Report. I've never worked less since I started with the company 20 years ago. I do drive around, get distracted, and deal with the company's cr-p office furniture and tech more though.
The nonsense spewing forth from the ivory tower is designed to encourage people to quit, but I'm not going to let that little piece of S in NYC take this away from me. I'll resist from within until he's defeated. F him and F you OP. Maybe your role actually makes sense to go in office, and you can go in 7 days a week, I don't give an S. The real question is, why do you care what I do?
Because it’s 100% unnecessary. Even if it’s not particularly inconvenient for me to be in the office, it’s still annoying to have to do it solely to satisfy corporate bureaucracy. The fact that it’s been implemented in such a ham-fisted manner without any consideration of actual business need for a given employee, forces one to question leadership and whether or not they have any clue how things work on the ground level.
Nobody who’s commuting into an office just to spend all day on video calls with coworkers scattered throughout the country actually believes in “better together.” So either leadership is lying through their teeth, or worse, they’re completely out of touch with how modern work actually gets done. If they’re this clueless on RTO vs remote work, how can we have any confidence in them handling the other obstacles the bank is facing?
My job pre-Covid needed to be done in the office most days (not all) simply because of the job I was doing. My different job today has zero need to be in the office, and I’m on the phone the majority of the day so I can’t talk to anyone in person anyway. OP speaks like they understand jobs like this, but they are clueless.
In some positions and groups where this hybrid rto situation works. But seriously technology, especially the team members are scattered throughout the world, working nights for deployments and had work remote contract way before covid....this rto sh*t is ridiculous, makes no sense and does nothing but decrease productivity, let alone costs money and time commuting to an office just to sit there be otp, talk to no one in the office that you actually work with.
Let’s explore two scenarios for establishing and communicating a new requirement:
#1
Leadership fully and clearly explains the true reasons behind the requirement, also addressing why the chosen approach was selected vs. alternatives. Questions and potential challenges from impacted stakeholders are anticipated and addressed. To the extent feasible, the requirement itself is nuanced enough to minimize avoidable and unnecessary adverse impacts (Think about annual required training - while it’s not perfect, there’s a lot of tailoring by role and often a time-saving option to test out). Leadership is open to making adjustments as appropriate.
#2
Leadership provides weak and unconvincing reasons for the requirement which are different from the real reasons which many suspect or even know are the truth. The requirement itself is one-size-fits-all with zero effort to customize it in order to maximize benefits while minimizing needless negative impacts. While questions and challenges are anticipated regarding particular circumstances, insultingly weak canned responses are provided when “Because we said so” would be the honest, though less palatable, answer. Leadership is reluctant to consider even common-sense adjustments once the requirement goes into effect.
Which scenario is more likely to gain buy-in from stakeholders?
Which scenario will enjoy a smoother rollout and higher rate of compliance?
Which scenario will maximize benefits while minimizing adverse impacts?
I had a fantastic manager who did their best but this company is such an unmitigated sh!tshow I just couldn’t take it anymore. I’m happy at a new job without all the unnecessary stress. And Charlie isn’t the CEO. Oh, and my new company that’s been around for 50ish years doesn’t have a single post on here. 🤷♂️ I encourage everyone who is miserable to look for something better. Life is too short and I regret I stayed at WF as long as I did.
@1cus+1lkj9J5t - I'd put money on them backing off on RTO over 5 days per week. I roll up to HR and have first hand knowledge in the amount of overhead that goes into RTO reporting alone. Not to mention the talent they are losing because of it. Some roles should require 3 or 5 days per week, but this blanket policy is lazy management and won't last. This is a cost saving measure from head count, severance and tax breaks. Once they hit the numbers they want RTO and the associated reporting will fade away. But, at the end of the day I won't be around to see it. I am a top performer in my area who never saw less than an Exceeds and will be gone in the next two months. Not because I really want a new job, but because of short sighted leadership decisions like this. If I had the same flexibility I was hired with, I'd happily stay.
@gmr+1lkj9J5t. Also- the price of everything has gone up exponentially since Covid. If people are paying almost double for groceries, more for gas, eating out at lunch, those coffees that you run out & get while in the office, AND it's been proven that people can work from home, AND with bonuses and raises being cut (or, arbitrary ie: favoritism), you can see why the average person hesitates to go in. Add the non-existent "working together" and it becomes a farce.
@qmk+1lkj9J5t Yep, and it’s a two way street. They can get rid of me any time they want, and I can quit any time I want.
They changed the game on remote workers, I would be mad too, but once again, your recourse is to exercise your right to leave. If I was one of them, you can bet I would be gone asap after bonus cleared, but I’m not, I have way more flexibility now than ever, and the people abusing it and not following the new rules (fair or unfair) are far more likely to cause me to loose my newly gained flexibility than get the whole company on board with full time WFH.
I know it’s not what people want to hear, but what do you honestly think is more likely in 2 years? Most of the company back to 5 days in office, or most of the company to full WFH flexibility?
The reason everyone hates RTO is because everyone knows it's pointless.
COVID showed most people that their jobs could easily be done at home. Now we're being made to commute (expensive and time consuming) to sit on zoom calls. This benefits no one.
With younger thinking leaders, we wouldn't have RTO. So that's why we're not quitting. The C suite should quit, not us. And eventually, they will. Then we can all go back to being our best while we work.
Shut up charlee
@tkf+1lkj9J5t "those agreements you had were unilateral, and revokable at any time."
Just like your job. Refer to "at will employment".
While I get why remote workers are mad about this, those agreements you had were unilateral, and revokable at any time. They chose to revoke. Your recourse is to leave on your own or see how long you can push it to force them to fire you or lay you off.
Be mad, but don’t act like you didn’t know that the situation could change at any moment.
with or without COVID this was always going to happen, COVID just delayed it. it was all part of location strategy instead of them doing away with your WFH agreement in 2020/21 they are doing it now.
for those that used to be 100% remote and now have to go it, I get it, it sucks, but WF along with most every US company employ you at will and can change the terms of your employment whenever they want, beit RTO, salary, location, bonus, etc. end of the day you can live with it or move on. if you feel like you have a legal right to work from home because that is how you were hired then find yourself an employment lawyer and take wf to court, I'm guessing you'll discover most won't even take the case.
Agree 100% with OP. I have never seen a bunch of whiners, and it's mainly this forum. Deal with it, or quit.
@udf+1lkj9J5t
You are clueless. I was hired with the agreement that I could work from wherever and would come in as needed...like an adult. My team is spread across the globe and me sitting in an office to be on conference calls makes no sense at all. This blanket 3 days per week is not only lazy management, but also a loss in benefit from what was agreed to when I was hired. I am in the final stages of interviewing for a remote position, but I didn't want to leave. I like my work and my team, but the C suite is running this place into the ground on many levels. But, you clearly can't see outside of your own situation so you would likely fit right in with the C suite.
If you were full remote before you should fight to keep it. If it was because you had a cool boss then you’re probably screwed. You need to come in or gamble that your stellar performance outweighs your inability to follow the attendance policy.
Sounds like Wells Fargo is hiring folks to present their viewpoint. What are they paying OP?
OP sounds like a disinformation troll acting on behalf of the company. They seem to be coming out.
Nope. Fu-k RTO. So useless. You sound miserable btw.
I was a 100% remote employee for many years prior to COVID - many of us have every right to b!tch - hired as remote and now forced into offices where NOBODY in any way connected to our work, works.
Agree 100%. Grow up, people. Or quit.
@lub+1lkj9J5t you weren’t told that it may happen? I find it really really hard to believe that they told you within a month you’d need to be RTO. Maybe 2 months, 3 months from the starting of RTO again. If it’s really the case where WF neglected to email you about this then I totally understand the bashing. But this isn’t Reddit, this is literally a site to post about layoffs. Stop spamming the RTO stuff because that won’t change anything
Charlie just stop. This board is not 4 you.
Shut up, Charlie.
"If you were going to the office before Covid..."
We weren't. That's what you fail to let sink in. You may have had to go in 3+ days per week, but many thousands of others were less than 3 days if not fully remote.