Considering applying for a WF role. Been monitoring this thread and there seems to be a lot of complaints around the in office policy, which I understand to be 3 days in office, and they are ensuring people stay for 8 hours on those days. My current role is 4/1, but no close monitoring of actual hours in office (yet).
Want to confirm it’s 8 hours in office they are requiring, and ask if you can come in earlier, for example 7am, and leave earlier if you need to - versus 9-5.
@ma so you're celebrating by rubbing people's faces in it on this site. i feel sorry for your new coworkers.
I just got a full remote role. Enjoy your commute to the office.
You've been warned!! Whatever the requirements are now, its guaranteed that they will change and increase soon, regardless of how negative the employee impact is. Charlie and his crew hate us, and they'll hate you too, if you are crazy enough to join this garbage company.
ALSO: newbies all get negative performance ratings in their first year - you will be rated Inconsistently Meets and told you are still new to the role /developing in the role.
Read these posts thoroughly. Is this what you want your professional life to be? Turn back while you still can or you will suffer with the rest of us
Worst place to work by far.
I'm in at 7:10 am and leave at 3:15 pm and meet all reporting requirements.
“If you need to ask this question don’t apply?” What kind of terrible advice is that? FFS the point of the interview and research process IS to ask these types of questions and then weigh the rewards against the output. You just gave up your privileged and entitled mindset in one sentence.
@a8 Same everywhere. Find another job, find out yourself.
@OP it's also worth noting which area you'll be going into. For example, not only are the work conditions degrading, but in tech you now have to log your work across three different tracking systems. This is in addition to the agents on your machine recording how many hours a day you spend interacting with applications to see if you're actually doing work in management's eyes.
Do you really want to join that environment?
Ahh previous poster said it best - wf is a workplace where working conditions are actively in process of degrading.
Some teams might have specific working hour/availability requirements. If not, I have had no problem starting some days at 6-7 am and ending 3-4 PM, and working 8/9 to 5 on other days, and have never heard a peep from my manager about it.
If you're considering taking a job here, I would factor in that the c-suite has shown no sign of letting up on this stuff, and I would fully expect the sc--ws to turn further. Some of the ways this might happen, based on chatter here:
• Ramping from 3 days a week to 4 or 5 days a week (already happening to some teams like Risk that the c-suite seems to have a particular hate bo--r for)
• Increasing the time expectation from 8 to 9 hours a day to account for lunch (already happening in India. Not sure if there's labor law stuff that is blocking this in the US)
• Activity monitoring of mouse movements, keystrokes, application use (again, this appears to be already in place, just in pockets rather than company wide. And I think wise folks are operating from an assumption they're already being monitored, even if there's no been direct communication)
I would be careful about assuming when you accept the job that the situation won't change. WF leadership has taken a worker-hostile, progressively worsening stance when it comes to RTO measures, in service of trying to encourage attrition. Its one thing to deal with these changes when you've got years invested, the job market is trash, and there's a potential severance package on the line, and a totally different calculation to take a fresh job at a workplace where working conditions are actively in process of degrading.
One thing everyone can agree on is that whatever the expectations are today they will be different a year from now, six months from now, or next week.
Oh yeah, malcontents forever complaining for no reason at all, no matter how amazing Wells Fargo is to its employees the malcontents will continue to complain. The more they do for us, the louder the complaining.
Sure buddy, whatever you say.
it's the same at every large company. The complaints on this board are disproportionately malcontents, so don't factor them into your decision.
RTO is either 3 or 4 days a week 8 hours a day depending on your group.
It probably depends on the specific org/manager how strict they are about time started/ended, etc. But for me at least, we need to average three days in office per week on a 12-week rolling average, and we need to average 8 hours per office day (was recently told that the time average based a 4-week rolling average). The hours is just the time between earliest badge-swipe/network connection and the latest. My manager at least doesn’t really care about start/end time as long as we’re hitting those 8 hours, within reason. I know some orgs are making people come in 4 days per week though, and its possible some have stricter time requirements as well.
If you need to ask this question before applying don’t apply. You won’t be happy here