Thread regarding Ford layoffs

@yz, you think that we should accept LESS?? Bootlicker!

What we need to do is UNIONIZE and DEMAND HIGHER WAGES!

And we need the support of our government right now. And it is happening. Soon, we will all be paid higher and expenses for things like housing and cars and groceries will go down.

Taxing the import is paramount to socialism. It essentially says that a business cannot access the better version of something without being punished. They MUST access the local thing - and be forced to pay the higher costs. That's not how capitalism works.

@yx or you tax the import

It upsets many of you, but Elon Musk is right. H1B is the future. They are every bit as smart as Americans - and they are willing to work for a fraction of the salary.

How do you beat that?

Corporations will always choose the least expensive version of a thing. That's why every administration allows for so much manufacturing - and other industry - to continue to offshore.

Unless we Americans are willing to accept lower salaries, we won't be able to compete. And the business owners and industry leaders will bring the 'offshore' right here to the USA in the form of H1Bs.

@xk

This is exactly what a lot of the bottlenecks are. You have to consider the "implications" of almost everything you say and every recommendation you give. This is suffocating the engineering process and it would be better at this point to deal with machines that Just work off logic and have no human BS feelings or tactical politics they are playing. how can you get anything done when it constantly feels like people are "trying" (and doing a horrible job of it btw..) to play 4D chess with political BS when all you are trying to do is build something???? Let's put feelings and boot licking aside for a second and just build what we are supposed to be building please? I've been around a while...I understand humans play politics..all...the...time. But for the love of God if every decision has to be ran through a complicated human derived matrix of political BS then good luck to everyone...all getting fired. Well...maybe not all of us..it's painfully obvious that those who are good at this game seem to survive and thrive...ironically they don't seem to be the people that actually do the work.

It’s not just the outsourcing - it’s the H1B insourcing that is really ki-ling this company. It’s not even an American company anymore. It’s so bad that I don’t even understand the company culture. It is literally foreign to me in my own country. Everything is a game, everyone has an angle, we always have to CYA, always protecting against this or that group trying to blame us - it never ends.

And then they brag about being the “most American” car company. Pathetic.

@qf no sh-t, did it to ourselves, these people are psychopaths, no ending until so much damage is done it’s irreversible, zero moral compass

DEI and offshoring has destroyed us.

@f2 I don't miss a thing. Been around the business a long time. I've seen these low cost cycles several times. They never work. Takes 10 times longer to get the work done and it's garbage. It'll all come back again. This is just someone up top getting short term savings but will pay big-time in the long run. They never learn.

@ke Why don't they just outsource all that transactional stuf? It's not like it adds much value anyway, so rebidding every few years would be way easier. Most of the team in India is just reading a script. This company could totally crush it with just a laptop and a big dream, ditching the hassle of 20,000 employees and those expensive skyscrapers that drain the bank account in rupees.

Offshoring is basically the corporate version of putting a bandage on a broken leg while ignoring the fact that the leg is gone. It screams, "We have no strategy, but look how cheaply we can type!" If the company doesn't even sell anything in India, keeping your brain trust there is like hiring a chef for a restaurant that only serves cereal. Why not just outsource the whole show and be done with it? Plus, labor in India is getting pricier than avocado toast in the US, so that "cost-saving" hack is now just a very expensive paper cut. And let's be real: AI is about to do all those old offshoring tasks while you sleep, making this whole model about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. Leadership is out here acting like investors won't notice the emperor has no clothes, just a very shiny, very fragile earnings call to hide behind.

@hn

This is both so true and so wrong.

considering the amount of outsourcing and job cuts, and now Ford announced employee pricing for everyone .... you can always individuals not to purchase Ford products due to these actions as well as their recall and warranty work.

@d7

Unfortunate. But soon everyone one is going to find out exactly why those employees cost less in the form of additional underperforming products due to quality. Yes it can and will get worse if this continues.

@fj We wish we had that. Over here, people who are only a generation removed from complete human garbage can pretend to be God’s gift to the world, while secretly still being just a fat pile of human trash. They have zero class, and failed to grasp the ethics and culture that made this country great.

you can search the fields. there is an advanced search in CDS and you can specify location, or whatever, and get a dump of it.

Well, they have the caste system so the managers have never done work. They simply don't understand how engineering is done, even if they have the degree. The doers are a lower caste but their complaints fall on deaf ears. It's much different than China.

@ew They’re not called “centers of excellence” for nothing. There must be something you’re missing.

My boss is sending our work to India. It's ridiculous. Then, they ask us for help. Sorry, not responding. Figure it out, I had to. Oh yeah, and fu-k off, a lot.

I just heard that more jobs are going to India.

So much for all those American values :)

@a8 So let me ask this, if AI is readily available and as good as how well it's trained to be, where does the competitive advantage come from? The programmers? Are we going to need to hire programmers with business and engineering acumen? Do the people programming the AI have business and engineering acumen, that's somehow cutting edge? Who's going to be the executives in the future? Where are they going to get that business acumen, engineering knowledge, etc?

Back in 2017 or 2018 Ford Credit opened a service center in India Chennai and it was supposed to hold about 20,000 Employees. It was in one of their quarterly newspapers. This would not count any employees for the Motor company just Ford Credit. Also Ford Credit is still hiring customer service reps in Mexico and Panama only and not in the U.S.

AI will replace both...if it is any solace

Oddly the higher ups and India believe that AI can do you're job which actually requires real engineering acumen, but not theirs....