I think I am done for and that they are planning to move my job offshore too.
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@t4 Since when India is an “ally”?! lol, they can barely feed their own population!
U.S. companies did this to themselves, to leverage cheap labor in india, now jobs onshore are being wiped out by indians here and indians from offshore (3-4:1 ratio salary wise), with AI as well it could only get worse, offshore mgrs keep getting promoted and have more and more onshore reports, who are basically slotted for removal or replacement by offshore folks
Worst part is that India isn’t really much of an ally of the US anymore as was seen during this latest conflict in the middle east. They’re out for themselves which I can’t really blame, but we shouldn’t continue to feed into it because companies like cheap labor.
They showed a map in a town hall last week showing all the US and European companies that certain cities in India seem to support. It’s pretty insane that our government continues to allow this. Jobs are being taken away in the US and directly replaced by folks in India or the Philippines.
@jc
"Imagine what's going through manager's head."
Well, they should be thinking that they're glad that they make a good salary relative to the cost of living in India.
@j7 and we provide transportation , meals and reimburse them for their home internet service.
@jc this is 100% accurate. One of my employees is highly tenured therefore is pretty high on the pay scale and when my new director started they started questioning what they really do even though there are no performance issues. Director then put them on the RIF list despite my objections.
Think about this.
US is much more expensive then our offshore locations.
It's natural that the US employee is paid more, several times more.
Now the @OP has a situation where he/she is paid much more than the manager.
Imagine what's going through manager's head.
Everything is being processed through that $$$ prism.
So, every mistake the employee makes is met with "oh look at this stuff, and she's getting paid 5 times more than me."
THis is why the manager should never be paid less than the employee.
Optum wants to have it both ways but it's not working.
This whole offshoring thing is disgusting.
@hg It's so weird because yeah, their US employees make a high salary. But the cost of living in India is peanuts.
@ds I worked for an offshore manager and their was clear favoritism for their employees who were in the same country over those of us in the US. I also felt the manager resented that the US employees earned a higher salary than them. It was a very uncomfortable situation.
They may keep you a bit longer than you expect but for sure you will be replaced with offshore
i had a few offshore managers for the last 3 years of my run before being RIFed
Just got an offshore boss in the past couple months. She seems to be more interested in her toy collection than managing her people. It's very frustrating. If I try to say something, I'm the one who feels like they're in the wrong.
@cm provide wrong processes to them.
Disgusting what is being allowed to be done sending work to foreigners and eliminating work for Americans while placing personal info in the hands of scammers.
Quit
Yes it will offshore but hopefully there is a ramp up period so you have time to apply externally before being RIFed. The new manager will try (or not) to understand your work while they start staffing for your replacement in India. They will likely have you document work for it to be used as knowledge transfer to the offshore team.
@c6 Seeing the same with an area I support. Their structure got shifted offshore months ago and they have had exactly 1 interaction with the new manager 1 week in. The dude has literally no idea what the team even does/supports, and has blown off every project/negotiation meeting since taking over.
This happened to us and we havent interacted with her in months. Its basically like not having a manager which is unsettling
@OP I wonder how it would fly if they started off shoring politicians?
Optum is letting cheap labor hold their wallet.
Some never learn.
@ba Not really uncommon in engineering here.
You have to consider that offshore is much better as a-s-kissing, this company really likes to hold back promotions as of late, and a lot of leaders in engineering are Indian / offshore. With all that you end up with the perfect formula for onshore managers who speak up about things to get cut and offshore managers who agree with literally everything and are friends with their manager and their skip level to replace them.
That does seem odd to report to someone offshore. It seems like it should be the other way around the offshore reporting to someone here.
yep, it's going offshore, probably to that managers cousin.
If your leadership is offshore as well they may just be moving you under their friend to get that person promoted and to layoff your former manager. I wouldn't worry too much for now but it's probably worth looking.