I overheard someone talking about how rto is going to change and it’ll be 2 days per week in office and up to the department(s) on which days you need to come in? Anyone know anything or know if this is something that’s going to be released?
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@1a9 5 days if hotel is coming no matter what. After all that’s what big banks are doing and GK believes we will get to play in that circle if we just RTO 5 days a week because yeahhh …
Folks, stop complaining, and stop trying to game the system. They know exactly when you’re in the office and when you are not, luckily that’s all they check at this point if you work in Charlotte, they will do a headcount in the morning and go by in the afternoon and make sure that you are still there. They are not going to install Sapience, but a simple badge check and somebody with two eyeballs can tell if you are there or not. Pay attention and don’t sc--w it up for everybody else else we’re going to be five days no exceptions.
@vf if you think they'd stop using it because it won't generate the info they want... that's kinda delusional. They don't care how accurate things are. They do care about ridding themselves of line items that are employees. So.
From what I understand it's also expensive. To put it on all computers Enterprise wide would be a few million dollars at least.
@rr e9 here. Throw Sapience on every computer and track everyone. As previous poster mentioned Sapience is a very inaccurate tool so it will not generate the results management wants.
@sz you wouldn't welcome sapience if you knew how inaccurate it was. It's nothing short of a morale destroyer, there's no point to it. For people that spend days in meetings, it doesn't reflect you actually working. It's the same for in-office tracking. You can mandate it but it doesn't reflect performance.
@rr If data was used to drive the decisions for RTO, Sapience or otherwise, nobody would be forcefully going to the office against their will, because the data would evidence the increased productivity when working remotely and support its continuation.
As a remote employee I welcome Sapience tracking on my computer. Unfortunately they won't consider that until the remote FTE count is down low enough to limit the amount of data that contradicts the logic and reasoning of their asinine RTO strategy.
@e9 I guess it's only fair that remote employees have Sapience tracking their every move then.
@jq then remote employees deserve to have Sapience tracking every mouse movement and key stroke.
May the odds be ever in your favor. - a hybrid employee
@gm you do realize that none of this has been voluntary for anyone? And that people's lives - remote and hybrid - have both been negatively impacted.
People commuting in that have kids literally cannot spend 8 hours in the office. People with pets that have an hour+ commute cannot spend 8 hours in the office. I don't give a sh-t what anyone does with their office time and working hours. I do care that remote people are somehow making those who happened to be in a hub radius villains in this that deserve micromanaging. I'm not voting for sapience to be put on remote people's computers because that would just be sh---y.
The bank fu---d everyone over. They gave people permission to move with no 'hey we will be back in the office so bear that in mind' and then also revoked people who were remote long before COVID remote was a glimmer in history's eye. They offloaded what real estate they could and made it even more miserable for people in big cities. They are now punishing remote employees for their own choices as well with these geo codes. It all su-ks. None of it is right, ethical, or fair. But this isn't the fault of the people who have to deal with office bullsh-t. You're mad at the wrong people. Don't take the decisions of the CEO and MC out on your fellow employees. If you're that mad about it that you're wishing things on your fellow employees that make their lives worse, you're free to relocate and experience the same stuff. - a hybrid employee that's sick of remote people being pi---d at us for something we had no control over either
@e9 As another p i s s e d off remote employee, I am with you on hybrid employees who are paid more being tracked.
@fr as if relocating is the same as being paid for the 8 hours as agreed by a hybrid fella.
@ge with the end game clearly being voluntary attrition why would they tell us this? Only time we will get to know is the next performance review cycle where management can surprise one with a needs for improvement. Don’t ya think!
@f6 When will they start cracking down on this and how?
@ej right and if they're this mad about it that they're like "you better be spending 8 full hours in the office" they're free to move and spend 8 full hours 11 days a month in the fu--ing office.
@f6 this is loosely what I've heard too. That they're looking for the people that badge in and leave within an hour or two, or the people that badge in and don't even bring their laptops.
Here’s what I’ve heard from my leader. Yes, they will be looking at IP address locations. It’s not to track full 8 hours, it’s to track the one hour at the office and 7 at home, 3 days a week. So I don’t think it matters if you are there at 7am and leave at 2. Unless your leader and business line have said the hours it’s important to be at the actual office.
If everyone wants to be mad, be mad at the people who keep coffee badging.
@e5 I'd like to know how they intend to do that with West Coast employees. If they start tracking my hours I will decline any meeting before 11am Central time. At the moment I can at least be flexible with when I go in so I can still get some work done.
@e9 How is that our fault? You might have a point IF people were allowed to choose remote in exchange for a lowered geo code. That'd actually kind of make sense. But no.
@e9 hey how about we not project our own frustrations into people that have to commute into the office. This whole thing su-ks for EVERYONE. Would you rather lose 2-3 hours of your day commuting and pay for expensive parking, risk getting bed bugs in the hubs, and have to listen to everyone around you yelling on calls? The situation remote employees are in isn't fair, but don't take that out on people who were forced back into an office who will also likely get sh-t for merit increases to cover their added expenses from this bullsh-t.
@e5 After what they did to remote employees and their geo codes it is only fair that hours are tracked. If you get the benefit of a higher geo code because you are classified as a hybrid then you better clock in the full 8 hours for 11 days a month at the office. -- Pi---d off remote employee.
@e5 How will they track and what will the time limit be?
The only rumor I've heard is that they will keep it at 11 days per month, but start tracking how many hours per day you are in.
I don’t believe this to be true as much as I would like it to be. My managers have also said they’ve not heard of any talks of an increase of 3+ days. Usually my direct management is pretty transparent with my team of any behind the scenes changes.
It's gonna end up being 5 days a week let's not kid ourselves. I heard someone asked GK why 5 days, "cause fu-k you that's why" she said.
Quit trolling, OP.
I have heard multiple times, including from a reputable senior leader IN HR that there are no talks of 4 days a week. 4 days may be asked of certain level leaders, and possibly an ask in our client centers, but there’s no buzz about it for the masses. And certainly not 2 days.
4 days a week starting Q2.
PNC Bank is mandating 5 days aweek in office as of May 4, such that USB leadership, which is a fast follower, will probably fall for whatever gets put in front of them first.
There's no way this is true.
The only thing I've heard is that they're making it a straight 3 days a week regardless. So if you have Thurs/Fri off you'd have to come in monday-wed. Plus hourly tracking and hourly minimums n
If it is true that would be INCREDIBLE. 2 days a week is perfect. But there's no way they're rolling back on 3+ days a week.