Thread regarding Ford layoffs

2025 - the year of engines that blow up. Does it count as an official engine blow up when d-mb owners don't add or change their vehicles oil?

Engine recalls used to be the sort of thing most people never noticed unless they owned the vehicle in question. In 2025, they've become impossible to not notice. An absurd number of major recalls and federal investigations have centered not on software, airbags, or infotainment glitches-although there has been plenty of that-but on the most fundamental component of all: the engine.

Over the past year, more than five million engines sold in the United States have either been recalled or placed under official scrutiny. The brands, layouts, and customers differ, but the mechanical thread running through these failures is largely the same.

To meet fuel economy and emissions targets, modern internal combustion engines operate on razor-thin margins-manufacturers have pushed machining tolerances tighter than at any point in history while pairing those designs with ultra-low-viscosity oils such as 0W-20 and 0W-16.

From an engineering standpoint, thinner oil reduces parasitic losses and improves thermal efficiency. The tradeoff is that there is almost no tolerance left in margin to absorb any inadvertent contamination or variance during manufacturing.

In older engines, small amounts of residual debris from machining-metal shavings, casting sand, or abrasive material-could often be absorbed without immediate failure. When microscopic debris enters oil galleries in a modern engine, it will disrupt hydrodynamic lubrication almost immediately, accelerating wear on crankshaft journals, bearings, and connecting rods. Once that process begins, failure will arrive quickly and fiercely, without much warning.

GM's L87 V8 failures have been linked to bearing wear and crankshaft damage associated with metal debris. Interestingly enough, the L87 used in marine applications-like Nautique and Malibu ski boats-is spec'd with 10W-40 engine oil and hasn't experienced the same failures as in automotive applications.

Toyota's V6 issues trace back to machining residue that made its way into the crankcase. Honda has cited bearing and rod concerns, while Stellantis acknowledged the presence of sand from the manufacturing process in some engines.

These are not exotic or high-performance powertrains; they are mainstream engines built in large volumes. Engine replacements are among the most labor-intensive repairs a dealer can perform, often consuming 15 to 20 hours of shop time per vehicle.

Automotive News estimates that across the industry, the combined financial exposure from this year's engine recalls totals in the billions, with long-term warranty costs still to be determined. Never mind the incalculable damage to the overall brand-powertrain durability is foundational to brand reputation, particularly for trucks and large SUVs.

None of this suggests that modern engines are poorly built. On paper and on the road, they deliver more power, better efficiency, and lower emissions than their predecessors ever managed, but corners are being cut in the assembly process in the name of cost or efficiency. Maybe with a more relaxed regulatory environment, automakers will be able to bake in a bit more tolerance as a safety margin, that or like, go back to using 5W-20 engine oil.


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@w4 WHY NOT QUIT?

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Post ID: @ya+1kdca55h2

@w3 theyll traffic you and say "did you even say thank you"

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Post ID: @w4+1kdca55h2

@w2 You won't get it, cowards love to murmur under their breath without specifics to deny the substance of an issue.

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Post ID: @w3+1kdca55h2

@w1 Say sh-t with your chest if you're going to lie confidently. Who did what, what was the outcome, who delivered, who didn't, who halted progress, who backed their word, who upheld what, who did what, whats true, who took credit, who lied, who padding a false trail, who targeted

speak with your fu--ing chest if youre going to say sh-t like this

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Post ID: @w2+1kdca55h2

Ford engineers victim blame. Sickening.

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Post ID: @w1+1kdca55h2

Lead Babbitt bearings are not used now due to regulations and they are much more forgiving to thin oils and machining and contamination. Double whammy

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Post ID: @w0+1kdca55h2

@js I little dialogue is welcome, I'm confident our quality issues are behind us, but I do want to understand... (typing quickly not as slow as I seem)

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Post ID: @jt+1kdca55h2

@jr I mean sometimes it seems like an honest one minute conversation would go a long way with some of these quality issues, I don't know how the senior leaders allow these kind of quality issues to happen, they're supposed to be managing people not silo ing themselves with process. Sometimes I wonder if senior leaders are misled and find it easier to avoid the issues and then believe that once it's gotten so big it can no longer be addressed as it would look like some type of complete failure where they failed. Maybe that's the paradox? Not going to solve the companies problems today, but it would be good to open those conversation opportunities going forward to avoid further quality issues.

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Post ID: @js+1kdca55h2

What I'm confused about is when these kind of blow ups happen in engineering, why do some not seek the root cause collaboratively? It seems like there must be some malfeasance is intentional when some don't complete an 8D for these types of issues. I mean I know know one wants their dirty laundry aired, but there comes a point you just make things worse off for the company when you refuse that understanding. My assumption is that people don't want to admit they might have been wrong, or sc--wed up badly because of something going on in their workload. If people are just honest and open about their opinions, it seems like the company would get a lot further.

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Post ID: @jr+1kdca55h2

@f5 I don’t even blame you, the colors seem like error provocative design. Glad you caught it though

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Post ID: @f6+1kdca55h2

@f3 I'm an engineer and once put wiper fluid in a coolant reservoir because it was empty, I got the two confused because Jeep colors the cap the same color and I wasn't paying attention. Felt horrible but noticed it and had to flush it as best I could before my wife left for a trip.

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Post ID: @f5+1kdca55h2

@f2 This is why I don’t trust myself with stuff like this. I don’t feel like I know enough, and the risk doesn’t feel worth it. Once my ex bought me winter windshield wiper fluid and I never even used it because I kept thinking, “what if she didn’t know either” (sorry). I’d rather put my faith in a professional even if they took advantage of my lack of knowledge. I don’t have incentive to learn from mistakes at this stage, maybe later. Can’t be Einstein to all things in life.

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Post ID: @f3+1kdca55h2

Are engine warranties still good on these vehicles for the Einstein's who pour transmission fluid or windshield wiper fluid down the oil revivor?

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Post ID: @f2+1kdca55h2

Regulation is ki-ling our business and the consumer - who drives these sh---y policies?

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Post ID: @et+1kdca55h2

@a2 the Green Bay pakers?

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Post ID: @cm+1kdca55h2

@cj Toyota Camrys are good too

I also like the BMW X5. They’re American made in California I believe

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Post ID: @ck+1kdca55h2

Well, you could buy a Hyundai with a 10 year warranty. They put a new transmission in my daughters’ 8 year old Elantra without her paying anything.

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Post ID: @cj+1kdca55h2

Just as D-MB as Boards of Directors not changing out broken down acidic, poisonous upper and middle level managers. HR definitely needs to do a better job of filtering and cleaning. Simple. Start with the SLUDGE that has been around the longest. No sense in adding fresh/new high performance oil until the sh*t gets removed!

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Post ID: @bk+1kdca55h2

"2025 - the year of engines that blow up. Does it count as an official engine blow up when d-mb owners don't add or change their vehicles oil?"

thanks for the reminder, i need to get my oil changed. i don't want them to put me in gbay under a false assumption

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