“Many of you have embraced this approach.” Wtf they’re insane that’s like saying MW cured cancer. Rubbish. name one fool who embraces it
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it’s an absolute joke
people think they have a point but nothing works when you break it down
so let me get this right - you think that a somebody with a second job is going to shape up because they have to go into an office so we need RTO. or a slacker will suddenly be useful because of RTO.
a slacker is a slacker. they’re far more likely to slack even harder you’re asking for more of their time
a cheater will still cheat.
the fix is to fire slackers and cheaters and policy abusers and improve at detecting them early. you can’t fix lazy. reward good behaviors to retain people and establish a new work life balance normal. the path forward is as clear as can be. the real problem is boomers who literally don’t even have logical arguments because their mindset is that literally anyone not working in an office is lazy.
what’s really hilarious is that it’s common for executive leadership to both hold multiple jobs and work remotely. rules for thee, but not for me! same boomers who are ranting about slackers are worshipping C suite teams because it’s cool when they do it. truly pathetic. we should fire these people and the real slackers.
Any id--t complaining is doing a LOT of projection acting like if that person didn’t have the second job they’d be working harder for Chevron vs just slacking off. Absolute brain poisoned mentality, enjoy having “pride” in your work when you’re still working at 80
seriously. how theyre treating the us now is simply a window into how they’ll treat india in a decade when the next cheap labor country moves along. it’s looking like vietnam or ukraine btw
everybody should just get their bag, wherever they are, and move on from any wretched industry that abuses american resources and foreign labor
@d1 If all of your arguments were true then why have a different policy for offshore? I had a team member in India who wasn’t completing any tasks wfh 5 days. Had a team member pre Covid in office 5 days and working another business while he was in the office. Poor performers will be poor performers no matter where they work. Tech advances allow wfh to be seamless after Covid. We are finding many of the jobs out there that post in location actually are wfh because they don’t want to lose good people.
Another reason to jump this sinking ship.
This company is slow to understand what will make them stronger. Certainly is not the work from office policy. That is simply a de motivator. Offshore resources take note because you will follow when the onshore resources leave. This goes to show how a company treats their employees.
most of this is looking at extreme situations which are rare and overblowing it. if you’re really intelligent, you’ll realize that this is just a way to make people quit without having to pay out benefits. which is really just a way to put more jobs in india.
anyway, i’ve never understood the argument of “we all did this until covid”. it’s not based on logic. it’s literally just “we always did it this way so it can never change”. yet people keep acting like they have something sound here.
i have no sympathy for people who moved far away, but the fact is that the data shows productivity didn’t drop with hybrid or remote. are you sure your arguments are as data focused as you seem to think and not just feelings and fallacies and scape goats?
why do old fogies insist on keeping things hard because that’s how they had it? crab bucket mentality. decent people should want better work life for all as long as it doesn’t hurt the company in the net. how many people work extra hours when there kid has childcare versus getting a second job? it’s not close man. bad apples don’t actually have to spoil the bunch. that stuff is so easy to find now, as are shady tools like mouse movers. we have the technology, but do you have the mindset shift? or would you rather drag others down and assume it’s smart because you’re old and tough or something.
i repeat - the truth is that the company doesn’t care about anything but making people quit without paying out benefits. your loyalty and blind defense of them will not help you on performance evaluation.
your grandfather probably worked 7 days a week. what if he asked you and your dad to keep doing that because that’s “just how it is” and some people are lazy or cheaters. that’s what you’re doing now. the huge productivity boosts of modern technology historically give people more freedom, if we let it. don’t hold back progress over jealousy or company loyalty. be excited that we can do more with better options.
@d1 the claims of people working 2 jobs is so overblown that it’s laughable. Like a handful of stories came out about tech workers doing it at other companies and suddenly the id--ts at Chevron think it’s commonplace among WFH advocates who don’t see any reason to sit in traffic during commute hours to try to fight for a desk in the office somewhere just to join Teams calls anyway.
The people who moved far away banking on WFH forever are cooked, no sympathy for them.
@d1 Chevron is not a tech company, completely agree. Might want to let the ELT know…
@OP Going unassigned or going back in the office: The most vocal opponents like you rationalize why this shouldn't be done but what's left unsaid are the following: (1) No one complained about office space or being in the office FIVE days a week prior to 2021 (COVID). People only started bi--hing after the pandemic is over. (2) Everyone wants to have what the tech companies have i.e. a lot of work flexibility - but Chevron IS not a tech company and will never be one. (3) Some of the most vocal opposers will lose a lot in an unassigned/4-day model because they are moonlighting with other jobs (especially IT). HR has uncovered a lot of these folks who are still on the payroll but also working part-time or full-time with other companies. When you're working at home, you can easily make this work and if you have an assigned, enclosed office you can also work on the side with your other work laptop. It's all a matter of money. (4) Other opposers have moved to a differrent state or city to be with family or to just be in a relaxed location whike still getting their paycheck from Chevron. (5) Those who want their own assigned offices are also partly driven by pride - I have reached this position and status and damn it I deserve my own office. Some of the really vocal ones are the lawyers and those PhD holders. And yet when you look at their large assigned offices, they are hardly there anyway....I hear the argument that this will not provide a good experience for employee but the reality is people are opposing this for selfish reasons...Let's just call a spade a spade here...
Would it be easier for you if management told you that you will go unassigned or you can find a new job like what Amazon did? All of us has a choice: If you don't like it, you can always leave. Bi--hing about it is pointless as you are not in a decision-making role. Lose the victim mindset and take control of your life...
Keep in mind, the people telling you this have their own assigned office space. The only reason to force employees to come in 4 days a week and not provide a dedicated workspace is to drive attrition.
I love the nomad desk arrangement