It’s pretty stupid that after knocking out my work, day after day I have to sit in my chair and wait to get my “8 Hours in”. Is 7-7.5 hours going to be enough to stay off the list? Or, are they really going after people who have 7.5 hours in office? I’m already incredibly annoyed by this d-mb rule and I can’t believe we’re being treated like teenagers! Hopefully this nonsense ends soon
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@e5 You were fortunate for a while and you had a sweet deal. it's over at WF.
Nobody owes you time with your family. you make your choices.
MD here. 6+ is fine in my LOB.
@e1 if I were to pick my kids up from daycare at 6pm, we would go home, have dinner and go to bed. No time for play/ connection, what a life. For both them and me. No thank you.
As an exempt employee I would normally work between 9-10 hours a day going the extra mile to better my department. After it became apparent that going the extra mile doesn't save you from layoffs followed by them removing my autonomy I effectively punch a clock now. So I limit my focus to only my tasks and finish an hour or two early but am still required to sit there. So I bring a book and put my feet up, if they're going to make me punch a clock and sit there I'll use it to my advantage. I work to live, I don't live.
Total hours is the key. If you work 10 hours on Tuesday, on Wednesday, you can work 6. It isn't all that bad you know. After Friday you need your 40 put on the clock. Not much different from any other place.
@e1 "we" were not all 8 hours 8-5 pre covid, if fact, I was remote. And yes, I understand "we can make it work" however, we have the tools to do better than that. Instead of seeing my son maybe 1.5 hours a day, I could see him 4. But because I have to sit 8 hours in the office, my days are now 10+ hours away from him. I'm sorry, I'd rather spend more time with my son and watching him grow than sitting on teams calls from the office, when I could and have done for years from home.
@a5 I suspect this will depend on whether you are someone they want to get rid of or not. Those they want to keep will get some passes on this (like everything else.) Those that they are trying to push out will be held to a hard 8, just like with everything else they do. At least for this, the hard 8 is data/factual. The rest of what they attempt to do to get you to leave is usually made up nonsense. And now that the dipsh-t CEO said yesterday that they expect the workforce reduction to continue and they HOPE by mostly ATTRITION, they will be gunning for those under 8 to get ride of them without severance. And just like pretty much everything else this company has been doing under this horrible leadership, none of it makes any logical sense. It is absolutely all about lining their pockets and making sure their buddies are taken care of. At least it will be fun to watch some of these so called executive leaders get the ax also. I've seen and heard how desperate some of them are. They will eat each other to survive. Karma eventually will take care of it.
@e1 Why spend money on technology if you are just going to say the typewriter “was good enough for me!”
@ds before Covid "we" were all in 5 days a week 8-5. Those with kids usually came in around 8:30 and probably left around 4:30. Most daycares offer drop off at 7 and pick up by 6. They all managed to make it work. Not saying it doesn't su-k but don't give us the pity party.
The “cheerleaders” need to look up Stockholm Syndrome.
@dm nailed it. It's not about working 8 hours, it's about having to sit at the office for 8 hours. This isn't just impacting us, it's impacting our families. My 2 year old son has noticed I'm not around as much and has been saying "mama you have to work? You always go to work?" All because out of no where we are supposed to sit at a desk for 8 hours, when its not needed. It's heartbreaking. Luckily, my husband's company is still flexible and is able to take our son to and from daycare, but I'm not sure wtf we will do if that changes. I have no idea how single parents are doing it. I really dont. I feel for you. You are missing precious time with your family that you will never get back. Let that sink in.
Can we not have any compassion here. I don’t think it’s a matter of working 8 hours a day it’s being at your desk for 8 hours. Single parents who have to drop off children at school and then commute won’t get in until later. The pick up time, sports and activities . And I won’t even get into being a parent to children who have therapies….Single parents are still working and guess what probably more productive because they are grateful for the flexibility to get their kids and work from the road. Without family or support it’s near impossible to sit at a desk, support your family, and do all the things. I’m blown away at all the people who say just do it. Guess what it’s not that easy and as someone who has had the flexibility for 15 plus year and has always been a top performer peoples attitude that they are looking for loopholes is crazy. It’s not even about that. It’s about literally taking care of your family. Yet again more people will rip this comment apart and say just do your job. Ok at what point is this ok where my kids suffer and bc I don’t have means to have someone pick up my kids….the rudeness is out of control..
I’ve been doing 6-7 since the announcement and no one has said anything to me. Plus I know some that are still coffee badging and haven’t had anything said to them. I’m sure those still coffee badging will have something said to them eventually and I may as welll. But F em and all the bootlickers
corporate cheerleaders on this thread that defend a company that’s literally trying to make peoples lives miserable so fatten their own pockets. I’m holding out until my annual bonus at this point and will be applying to other jobs at a rapid pace after that.
The people that think sitting in an office equals work need to be let go. Sitting in a chair in a designated building doesn't mean a thing. I can do my work from anywhere but I'm being forced in to a location for collaboration which doesn't happen and I attend all my meetings via Teams. I do more work in the cafeteria, coffee shop and home than most do in 8 hrs sititng in an office. Brain washed people. Performance at WF equals in office for 8 hrs. This place will soon fall apart!
There's no amount of hours that are enough to end the layoffs. They couldn't care less.
Is this a real question? If the policy is 8 why would you ask if 7 is enough. 8 is 8. 8 is enough. Like the rest sit there and take care of personal matters, each lunch, go for a walk, clean out your inbox, take more training, offer to help others, and so on. There is no shortage of work just a shortage of people willing to put in an honest days work. Those that work hard get shafted, those that look to leave early seem to get rewarded and keep their jobs like you.
You likely have more work you could do. You choosing to "finish" early isn't going to work for upper management.
The only good thing is now I have boundaries. I’m CA time so on in office days I decline all India meetings. Before I would take those calls the go in to the office. Now I do my 8 in office and not a minute more. Let’s see how slow we can get projects to move.
I did an average of 7.5 hrs in October and I wasn't flagged on the monthly report.
I am told they are going to install badge scanners at restrooms to properly account for 8 hour day
It is posted on Teamworks that a full day in the office is 8 hours .. anyone can view it.
expectation != policy, posting on teamwork != policy. I'll do my 8 hours no problem, just think they should communicate it a little better especially if folks are being held accountable now
@aj it’s explicitly stated on teamworks for staff groups. In tech BE sent out the expectation
Plenty of salaried people out there aren't literally punching a clock but they are still expected to be at their place of employment however many hours a day. Acting like you are somehow special and those expectations shouldn't apply to you is the height of arrogance, not to mention cluelessness.
actually I would argue there isn't a policy about time in office. there is guidance being communicated by various forms of management and even a slight mention of that guidance on Teamworks, but there is no official policy I can find and neither the head of HR or the CEO have sent a communication around any actual policy. If I am wrong then please point me in the right direction.
In this environment I wouldn’t test the slightly less than 8 hour approach. Word is they were going after the sub 5 hour crowd. Guess what - the 7 hour folks are gonna get a “check in” too soon enough.
The policy was stated: 8 hours
The one they haven’t stated yet is activity level. That’s coming. Just watch.
@ac No, not true not every job requires one to punch a clock. Maybe you work in one of the call centers here or something remedial, but business professionals like us solve complex issues and create ideas. Not everyone can do it and if they could they would be here and not at McDonald’s or Target.
It's refreshing to see new topics discussed here
No. Unfortunately for you, you won't get to sniff my farts or peek at my schmeck in the restroom. I know you were eagerly anticipating it.
You are stuck with your same old options indefinitely. Try not to cry too hard.
Believe it or not practically every other job expects you to work a full day whether youre busy or not. The fact you think this is somehow unfair or feels like you're being treated like a teenager seems to indicate a lack of maturity and discipline which will eventually get you sent packing if you are incapable of doing what the other 99% of the working population does every day.
Word on the street is that a total 21.5 hrs per week is what keeps you off the report.
Does 7 = 8 to you? Do you think your boss will think 7 = 8? Do you want to test it?
If you got time to lean, you got time to clean. Lock your computer screen and go help the janitorial staff… they appreciate it.
The coffee badgers aren’t first unless they made this of low activity as well. There are some averaging two hours or less of activity a day. They are already toast.
Coffee badgers now have an opportunity to get their numbers up. Doesn’t mean they aren’t going to get hammered on raises and bonuses. But those that continue to average less than 5 hours a day aren’t going to be around in the medium term.
Just work as prescribed 9-5 M-F
tbd, I figured they would go after the coffee badgers first but am hearing from some that that isn't necessarily the case. one would assume the occasional 6 or 7 hour day in office won't be a problem especially if looking at averages I er time, but who knows.
Depends. Were you told a hard 8? In the reporting 7+ is the best category. Less than 5 is the worst.
Yes they are categorizing the averages.
But this is all separate from your productivity numbers or in reality activity numbers, which are also being measured. The tools they have are incapable of actually measuring productivity.