management failures. Furloughs and layoffs are failures on managements ability to plan and run a business
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@8thj+1jJPXoTr You must be in Intelligrated Ohio! Lololol. I know the DR if you are! Ha ha ha!
Maybe it’s incompetence. The VP of the line I worked in was 100% the least competent manager/VP/leader type I’ve ever come across.
She was 100% over her head and had almost zero idea about the type of things she was managing/leading/VP-ing.
I use to sit in meetings and choke on some of the things she said which were 100% wrong, technically. Zero idea.
Annually, Honeywell uses furlough as a tool save capex - IMO, because it’s an annual thing its planned so it’s totally immoral.
Ive worked for some of the largest companies in the world and haven’t ever had furloughs like these people do.
If it’s not planned, then OMG this company has the least competent leadership of any company I’ve worked for.
Either way, it’s not a good luck. But then VP and higher don’t care so why bust our ba--s working so hard? They don’t work hard.
Just remember, at the end of the day, it's an a$$ kissing contest in SPS. You will survive if your manager and director like you. It has nothing to do with quality, output, or skills. Folks in my team who were 100 times better than others, were dumped like trash. Slugs that do nothing but stroke the boss's ego were kept.
Thank god I'm a 5! 1-4 go before me, LOL. Maybe 4th round I get my severance! FIngers crossed!
Reading these replies is angering because ppl are saying ‘the directors don’t make the decision’, but that is EXACTLY what is happening… the higher ups say ‘we need to cut manpower in this hierarchy by this x amount’ and then the director decides everyone’s fate - many/most times not accounting for what is truly best for the company, but more so it becomes a popularity contest (which is why the ppl let go r so random - some are experienced workers and others freshly hired - sadly too many directors take their own personal feelings to make these decisions, and too many directors are new to the company / industry themselves so don’t have full knowledge of each workers role / value, so it becomes strictly a popularity contest to them and who they have most got to know & favored in their short time on the job).
On the flip side though, **I know this doesn’t apply to all directors in this type of tough spot, and I hope those not subject to this type of bs are at least grateful to have a true leader deciding their fate (from someone that wasn’t afforded that luxury, I think if it had been a better past leader making the decision, I may not have even been let go, but it would’ve softened the blow to know it wasn’t a personal opinion only deciding my fate)
@1lil
"the numbers are passed down"
From DA's wallet. It's not thick enough for him.
furloughs aren't decided at director level despite some of the guff posted.
rifs you might have an influence on but the numbers are passed down.
if a site is closed down then that's nothing to do with directors even if it means you lose folk.
You do get to pass on the message and the grief associated with id--tic decisions taken higher up - ultimately you are all just numbers on a spreadsheet and HW doesn't give two damns about you (inc directors)
@1yon
Good point. I also think that we should consider the number of Directors that have left Honeywell. The ones that I know that have left, have all been quite good at their jobs and were much respected by their coworkers and underlings. Directors have elevated earnings and bonuses, unlike us low level folks, and when they choose to leave, it does not look good for Honeywell.
Complete nonsense. Current Director here. Our actions have a huge effect on who comes up on the radar of leadership. If you run a tight ship you are far less likely to be targeted, just common sense. One major failing of Honeywell is its habit of promoting to Director people that should not be in the job. Look at how many abysmal directors we currently have who are failing the business. Take responsibility!
Sorry, but I agree with @bjz. Layoffs and furloughs are NOT made at the director level. Knew many good directors who did all their could for their troops, but were thwarted at the top. Most are gone now, including me. Enough was enough.
@bjz. Original poster here. And you’ve made my point exactly. No creativity, vision , courageousness or true leadership among management. You pointing out that Honeywell is just doing what other companies are doing or just “following the leader “ like with the trends like burning platforms proves that point. What about investing in people in the long term to come out stronger?
Honeywell leadership is gd mess. They laid off people that they just hired like month or so ago. They raised prices and angered the customers and bragged about good earnings and share prices while letting go off people. I guess not enough people chose voluntary layoffs.
Management need to be fired for ruining the company and people's lives.
@hjg, I am @bjz.
You understand that you are making my EXACT point? (But I don't think you are a high level leader but that doesn't matter)
Layoffs and furlough decisions are not made at Director level.
And Hon is NOT the only company laying off and/or furloughing. And yes, it is all about meeting market expectations. If anyone doesn't understand that is what happens in a publicly traded corporation my only suggestion is to find a privately owned company.
But that certainly didn't work out for Twitter going private.
So, yes, I'll keep my role. And if I get selected I won't feel bad. I am prepared.
@bjz+1jJPXoTr you are nothing but a laid-off or soon the laid-off employee making stuff up. I am in high-level HON leadership surfing here. You know nothing. It's going down hard across the US. I am told the numbers that need to go where, then it's up to me. I hope I too end up on a list it makes me so sick.
@bjz. You are a troll. I am made to decide or at least influence who gets layoff and I detest it, why, because my team suffers for the incompetence/ambition of others. If you truly were a Director at Honeywell you would know full what is going on right now and what is about to come.
Nope. I don’t want either. I want good creative management that can grow a business for the long term. Interesting a friend works for a company that didn’t layoff or furlough during the pandemic and management stated we’ve been through tough times but are in for the long term.
So Hon is the ONLY business that is having layoffs and furloughs?
Business conditions change and one Business tool is to adjust the workforce. Do you want a furlough or just more layoffs?
Pardon me, but I'll keep my director role and I have to adjust just like everyone else.
BTW, layoffs and furloughs are not decided at the Director level.
The top 3 levels should all be fired for their reckless mismanagement of the company's most valuable resource during the pandemic.
And I would like to see the executives that are responsible for wrecking an entire SBG get fired instead of promoted.