I always hear that time in grade doesn’t matter for a promotion….meaning that just because you’ve been in the same pay grade for a long time doesn’t mean you get a promotion. However, I was told today that despite the fact I’m qualified for the next grade, I can’t get the promo because I haven’t been in my current grade long enough. WTF is that?
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@3axh, don't pat yourself on the back. That same time "a few years ago" Chevron figured out their pay wasn't competitive, so they bumped up a whole class of younger employees (not just you) to inflate your egos and try and be competitive. This was a band-aid solution, as it had two unintended consequences: 1) It's going to be a very, very long time before you get another psg promotion (particularly since there's no market for petrotechs anymore), and 2) each Boomer had his/her HR rep or boss talk to them one-on-one about why younger employees were getting super promotions while they were getting nothing. Two years later, those same Boomers didn't have to think twice about taking MW/JG's rich EOI offer.
In my experience having a manager who will fight for you is the key as well as performance to support their argument. Without that time in grade has a lot more weight then they imply it does. I work with paperweights that are 23 just because they’ve been doing their role 10-15 years. I received a two pay grade bump in one year a few years ago. But hr will still tell you that’s impossible to get back to back promotions, let alone two psgs in one year…but it happened!
Yes, that is true. But you are missing a big part of the equation. The average layoffs.com poster on here Rarely or Never gets an "Exceeds Expectations". You are speaking to the common man here. Please use a little discretion.
Thanks.
That's right - promos every two years. 20 years on the job and you are easily PSG30.
@1yuq, if you're getting mostly Exceeds Expectations (equivalent of a 1 or 2+ in the old rating system), it's more than likely that it's every 2-3 years instead of 5 years.
@1lsv, Right on! I also notice how no one ever specifically names these supposed wonderful companies that are so amazing to work for.
As long as you get Exceeds on everything you will be promoted every 4-5 years.
promotion is a given. We get raises every year and most jobs end up having a cap. Some of y'all act like you should be promoted all the time. If that were the case, everyone would be MW psg by now. Time in grade matters to show you're performing at the next page but it also may not happen. It's amazing the amount of people that are unaware of their own limits
Promos will be huge this year plus the big raise on top. Don’t miss out!
Promotions are effective November 1, those impacted will be informed during the second pay period of October.
It only matters if you are a HiPot. They have a mentor and their supervisor to advocate for them in the calibration meetings. This is where is starts because if you don't get higher rating, you aren't getting promoted. And their still is a rating system it just goes on behind the scenes now.
Anyone knows if October is when those getting promoted will be informed?
Why do some people make such a big deal about promotions? Most people just do their job and take their promos when they come. Unless you are a superstar, it’s all about the same rate of progress. Occasionally someone will get a grade ahead of you but later you will catch up. So what?
@1ocv, Forgive me for asking, but why aren't you still at any of those "other companies" that treated you so well and why don't you go back?
They'll give you the darndest time getting a promotion but will have no qualms spending millions on consulting firms
In all other companies that I have been in, deserved promotions will just occur in due course without the imcumbent having to initiate any discussions with their supervisors or go canvassing for support (for promotion). Looks like CVX treats employees like dogs: we need to beg if we want scraps. And please wait for your turn till the preferred poodle has had its treats.
You would need a minimum of one year in grade and the top ranking to get promoted ahead of the others who have been in grade longer and also have maxxed out their rankings.
There is generally a minimum time in grade for the higher levels 23 and above. Its fairly subjective depending on the supervisor and PDC. Probably a minimum of 3 years. Of course, sometimes HR just decides to do whatever they want.
This may be a meaningful discussion for the youngins' here, but once you get over 40, and definitely over 50, you're going to wallow in your pay grade for the rest of your career. First they keep expanding the PSG pay ranges so you can still get a (minimal) raise without having to be promoted. (There was a time when PSG pay ranges didn't overlap. Now the overlap is 50% or greater.) Excuses galore why you aren't getting promoted, the most repeated is 'we had to save the promotions for the high-pots', or, 'you're competing with a bunch of high performers' (although they're 'not allowed' to tell you exactly who they are). Moral of the story? If you're less than 15 years experience (and not a high pot), have fun with these conspiracy theories, realize that the slower the promotions, the less valuable you are to Chevron. Over 15 years? You've got 1 or 0 promotions left, if you want your career to develop you better do it somewhere else.
Nothing much matters if you didn't come in through a development program.
Obviously, no set timeline for number of years in salary grade and promotions. I've found the following:
- it is critical that you have a well-respected advocate to support your promotion (doesn't have to be the person to which you report)
- Make your case to your boss how you match up w/ your peers in the salary grade that you want to be promoted
- % of C.O. is NOT the barometer to determine promotability. I've been promoted when I was below 95% of C.O. and when I have been much closer to 100%
Glad to see the “only talk about layoffs” patrol has showed up.
Time in grade has a small part to play in promotions, but if this is the feedback you are getting then you need to realize that chevron views you as just another cog in the machine. In my time at chevron it is apparent that when chevron wants to promote someone, they get promoted, and they get the most sought after roles to ensure further career advancement. Over the years I’ve seen people go from 22 to 24 in 2 years. I’ve seen connected folks get technical Team Lead roles with only 6 months of engineering experience in that function. DWEP over promoted so fast back in the day that it basically shut out all others to timely upward career advancement and posting for PDC roles. If your Supervisor or PDC rep is giving you boilerplate feedback then safe to assume Chevron probably doesn’t see you as team lead or supervisor material. Get your experience and get out if you have aspirations of management. You can spend 10 years in a technical role and chevron will give a team lead role to a cross functional diversity placement. Don’t let the process sway you from knowing your worth.
It matters a lot when layoff time comes along, you know, the subject line at the top of this thread "regarding layoffs".
It only matters when your supervisor doesn't want to promote you
Unofficially; two years in grade is pretty well inforced -- although you won't see it written down anywhere.
120 "CO" is still a thing, even though we don't have CO
Same sh-t happened to me I got promoted my first year from PSG 19 to 20. This year I got denied because I got promo my first year even though I know another person that is getting a promo. It all comes down to your supervisor “sub chapter head”. Keep fighting, tho it sucks this was definitely the year to get promoted since the CIP and Salary bump will be much higher.