I left some years ago once things started to go south after the acquisition. It's really sad to see a once thriving company get so mangled for the sacrifice to wall street. Recently I heard some rumors that things are really falling apart now due to the sheer number of people leaving lately. Can anyone confirm?
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Yeah there are definitely small groups of people being RIF'ed here and there. If you all of the sudden see that meeting with HR on your calendar, your number is up :)
In IA they are laying off in small blocks every month, they are desperate to keep the noise down ;)
Are there more layoffs?
Well, Andrew K is gone for what its worth.
They can blame macro economic conditions all they want, what it really comes down to is pi-s poor leadership. I've seen what good leadership looks like and this isn't it. The buck stops at the top.
They obviously have access to information that tells them to gtfo. MK was a honeywell lifer. Intelligrated has steadily shrunk under Honeywell and will continue to do so. How many are we now ~1500 down from 3500? There may only be enough sales to justify <1000 people...
He is leaving the sinking ship yes. Including the CFO.
Is MK on the way out?
All the managers had to sign NDA's before the last layoff, I think that's standard practice.
I heard yesterday that KF and JL are coming to visit St. Louis. Should I be worried? I suppose that they just want to see what we do, but who knows? The last time we had big wigs come to visit a significant portion of engineering was let go. The skills cut were unique to Intelligrated and we have been suffering ever since.
There is bad vibes and strange things going on in the other IA businesses too. Anybody know what is going on, lots of suits in and out and directors acting stranger than usual.
The rumors are flying. One that I've heard is that some managers have been called into meetings, been presented something and then had to sign NDA's. If true, this speaks to Honeywell's desire for secrecy and limiting employees access to knowledge of the company's future actions. Given the present dire outlook for Intelligrated sales, I think BIG changes are coming. Everybody in Intelligrated should expect the worst. Remember, with Honeywell, it always gets worse before it gets worse!
So when is the next shoe dropping? Its in the air, we can all feel it...
John Waldron and George Koutsaftes fired so many talented people just for fun and to satisfy their hunger to show the world they were in charge. All those people took very significant positions in the industry and are very successful. In the meantime these two id--ts wrecked vibrant businesses, created toxic working culture, put their people under unreasonable stress. Karma came to them and they were fired.......very publicly fired. Koutsaftes was behaving like a mad dog the day he was fired ...lashing out at people. The Honeywell board is so stupid that they let Koutsaftes hang around for 3 months after he was fired from the president of SPS position during which he wreck havoc on his staff.....abusing them, lashing... out but no one in the board or the CEO cared what happened to people in the organization......pathetic company to work for.
I hear new layoffs occurred in first week March 2024. ME, MI, EI, EEs.
No work & bean counters, and no transparency. Not a good combo.
I think intelligrated was destroyed by the poor leadership of SPS. Incompetent Waldron started the destruction and George Koutsaftes sealed the deal and completely destroyed it. One of the best decision Vimal Kapur, the new CEO, made is firing George Koutsaftes. Koutsaftes was an angry joker who should not have been in the leadership role in the first place. One of the worst things Vimal Kapur did was let Koutsaftes hang around the company to collect his vested stock. What a negative influence Koutsaftes had on the whole organization. Koutsaftes fired almost every one of his reports during his tenure that he did not hire and the previous CEO was watching the movie, excuse me, slow moving trainwreck patiently. In his legacy, all incompetent Koutsaftes loyalists are still wrecking the company and Vimal Kapur should look into this.
Do you think after Honeywell fired George Koutsaftes, what an A hole, things are going to change ? Is the new clown Vimal Kapoor any good ?
There actually was a handful of people there that were actually cool I'm a a-hole can't help it...
Call me
Still got a key to ALL THE ROOMS MY SEED IS ON EVERY COMPUTER SCREEN IN THERE
I was in safety hahahhahahahhahaha get some!!!!!
Honeywell had nothing to do with intelligrated failure just look around at all the fake tough guys there
I trained people and got bjs in the executive suite. Stole a Honeywell polo and was fired lated for some made up bs. That shznt was hilarious!!!! Everyone and I do mean EVERYONE THERE WAS PRETTY MUCH A JOKE YOU ALL KNOW WHO I AM
I am afraid that is probably true.
We are quickly coming up on the end of the Amazon projects. There will be many extra people after that. There is a small amount of new work coming in, but no where near the needed amount to keep even the current reduced levels of employees occupied. Major reductions on the way.
The safety there was an absolute joke. Horrible management-massive turnover. Unprofessional behavior and complete chaos.
Either way, they have never been in the construction/project management business and it clearly shows.
The primary point is to say they bought into a business in which they have zero idea how to operate. And they are trying to operate said business with existing standards completely incompatible with construction.
Resulting in catastrophic failure.
@74qjb+1hqe92dZ Way off, Honeywell has not been a product/ technology development business for a very, very long time! R&D has been annihilated over the past decade or two. It is now a slow burn asset strip.
@74qjb
+1000% Honeywell is anything but a "pro growth company". Honeywell is only about paying the very the top, the very most. To heck with anyone below. When you can buy your way to income, who cares?
Intelligrated (IGS) was acquired by Hwell for being the leading standard in MH, providing some of the most technically sound solutions on the market. Domestic manufacturing added another layer of quality that was tough to compete with in terms of schedule agility.
Unfortunately for IGS, Hwell is a product development/tech investment group that has no experience in MH or construction. Hwell has continued to apply the same product development standards to IGS, an MH construction firm, and has absolutely decimated IGS. Bureaucracy and untenable forecasting/approval processes have ground the inner workings of the company to a near-total halt. Offshoring manufacturing and the logistics difficulties that come with it have resulted in alienating the entire IGS customer base. Further contributing to the alienation, Hwell deems nickel and diming the existing customers with every petty change order they can devise as the best financial recoup strategy.
What better way to send an "f-you" to your customers than to miss deadlines by entire quarters or more, and then try to charge them more money for terrible service?
The writing on the wall seems to indicate that Hwell only has an interest in IGS IP and passive value-added income opportunities, such as automation software and support. IGS still has some of the best hardware on the market. I can't say for sure, but I don't see the integration end of the business recovering. I feel their focus will be on products. Of course, sub-contracting manufacturing and parts suppliers to the lowest bidder.
And yes, AMZ is not buying any future systems from IGS. After closing out the existing legacy projects, their only interest in future business resides in support for existing facilities. The integration relationship has been totally destroyed.
More good engineers submitting resignations the last few days. I am sure a lot of other people are looking right now. There are not many left who know they are doing...
@5xxbo
Is your next position retirement? I'm kind of practicing that myself.
@OP
Things are still very much the same in SPS. People leaving for better positions. This includes engineers and management. Particularly the management positions that I see. Those folks are making good money compared to me, but they choose to leave. Makes me think that there is something looming in the immediate future and these folks need to get out before it all goes to heck and then they would need to get a job at the last minute to keep up with their current lifestyle. I think SPS is going down and Honeywell will do nothing to keep it afloat. My next position is already set. In fact I'm working it right now, so I'm not worried. Just kind of hanging around to watch the end. Kind of like a movie that I don't like.
@5wrj
Talk about Facism. Yea, let's have the government tell employers what to do. Then that trickles down to employees. No, a company needs to make its own decisions about what to do with its own properties and equipment. No way in H3LL am I a Honeywell fan, but that is just crazy talk.
Want to stop companies from this type of infusion??? I am sure you do, at the cost of loosing quality of family life in Ohio and other areas. What do we do? asks the murf.
Start by supporting the Blue-dog Dems and stop supporting Rhinos, in your congressional districts in Ohio. Vote for Republicans and Democrats, know that these folks are not murfs. Then support legislation reform to stop companies that buy products from Intelligrated from moving support equipment out of closed Amazon warehouses that have remaining Intelligrated equipment in them. Support legislation that taxes the he-l out of companies that try to move this equipment. The ones that unbolt the Intelligrated equipment and try to move it around to profitable Amazon warehouses. Charge them a moving tax say at 200.00 an inch to unbolt and move. Making it hard for any company to justify these types of closures at the cost of lost jobs.
Their closing the Cincinnati/West Chester production plant in 60 days. Major meeting of shop production employees today.
@4Odmm
Has your question been answered now? I hope you are OK.
Does anyone know what's going to happen with West Chester, OH? We don't know if we'll get back up or not after losing Amazon. We don't have any overtime and they are constantly asking if we want VTO. They already lay off quite a few people and we are concerned about all these. They are quiet about it but we need some answers.. does anybody know?
Honeywell Intelligrated’s leadership has zero material handling experience and has alienated its entire customer base. With the loss of Amazon and only 10% of its usual systems sales there will be significant changes.
Current leadership is moving all manufacturing to Mexico as well as nearly all engineering and implementation support. Currently 60% of all engineering from Mexico
These are all the same things that nearly destroyed Dematic and because HON leadership has no MH experience they are not able to learn from the mistakes of others have made.
All the engineers in St. Louis have left. Number of employees has dropped maybe 50% in last 5 years. Top 3 in St. Louis plant are corporate leeches. I bet a Warden would tell them to relax.