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Has anybody here survive PIP?

How did you manage to do it? Did it involve working extra hours? The one guy I know claims he worked 70- to 80-hour weeks for months and I don't think that's humane. We have days off for a reason. Any other tricks? Other than kissing up to your manager, of course, if even that would help.

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Post ID: @OP+1hnxtEKx

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I was at Aero 10 years.

  • 2 years I was a 2 on the 9 block. Still less than 3% raise
  • 5 years a 5. One year no one got a raise because the ALT was worried the new year would be bad. They still got bonuses.
  • 3 years I was a 6 I think and on a fake PIP. Because it seemed to rotate around.

I took the severance a few years ago when they said we could not work from home and had to move to an Aero site. My group was hired to work from home. I got 10 weeks of severance and had a new job one week after leaving HON.

Since then i have had two jobs and I have increased my pay more than 50% and have better benefits.

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Post ID: @jowl+1hnxtEKx

A PIP is just away for them to mind f you. A certain % has to be in the elbow, someone takes a turn. My team had 3 people constantly targeted. I couldn’t take the mental harassment and the s3xual harassment anymore and left. Latest reports from my group, everyone is looking to jump ship. My SO said my stress less is non existent anymore, my new GM loves me, we have 45 minute chats about nothing while driving. Oh, and I’m up 30% over prior. Oh, and I was just in the top 10 when I left.

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Post ID: @5fxl+1hnxtEKx

I was put on a PIP because I was new to the department, and in spite of 35+ years of great reviews, I was the "new guy" and it turned out it was my turn in the barrel. The "reasons" for the PIP were complete BS, as both occurred before the midyear review at which time no performance issues were brought up. The clincher? My "improvement plan" was child's play, my manager blew off half of our mandated PIP recovery meetings, and a year later I got an above-average merit increase. Absolute chicken manure, and if anyone thinks there aren't 9-block quotas and limits, you're kidding yourself.

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Post ID: @5kpn+1hnxtEKx

Honestly, if your Manager doesn't like you, for whatever reason, you need to see
the writing on the wall and take appropriate actions. If you deserve the PIP then you need to work on it or find more appropriate employment. If you don't deserve it, then you need to figure out why. Sometimes two different personalities don't attract. A process oriented mindset might not mesh with a creative mindset. That is just the way things go.

Some organizations are meritocracies and some are more "preserve the status quo". Depending on the main purpose of the department, a process or creative mindset might predominate. I would suggest that having only one of these mindsets does not create a "diverse" mental situation in the workplace and is a potential recipe for failure.

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Post ID: @2vwi+1hnxtEKx

Can be done, I've had 2 peers on 3 pips over the past 5 years. Both won / survived because they were performers with an a$$ho-e manger just drinking the HON cool-aide. They had impeccable documentation and stellar reviews. HR finally backed off and removed the pip when 1 for sure started talking with his lawyer :).

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Post ID: @1qyq+1hnxtEKx

@dzt+1hnxtEKx

It should never be "your turn". That's the sign of extremely poor and pathetic management. Before Honeywell, I had never heard any nonsene like that. Just another reason that I left. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Post ID: @1fin+1hnxtEKx

It's possible to survive a PiP. You need to think very objectively. Is it just your turn, is there a valid reason reason, did you get a new boss?? Why are you on the PiP?

If you've been butting heads with your boss you're probably toast.

Best advice - don't let it destroy you. Talk to people you trust about it. Watch many YT videos. Go easy on the vices. Best of luck.

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Post ID: @dzt+1hnxtEKx

It can be done. Early in my career a truly horrible manager/person tried to railroad me. With appropriate documentation I turned every PIP meeting with this person and HR into a hearing on the manager's performance. Within two weeks the manager, a VP, was fired. I was a manager then and spent ten more years a HON before leaving a Sr Director.

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Post ID: @qjc+1hnxtEKx

I was put on a PIP a few years ago. I “survived “ the PIP in the sense that I did not get let go but I never got a raise above .5% again. I resigned four years later. When I left, my manager told me that I would have been put in the 2 spot on the nine-block rating square in the next review cycle. For me, leaving when I did worked out great. A PIP is extremely demoralizing but that is the intention. Good luck.

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Post ID: @mpn+1hnxtEKx

Good advise to leave. I've never seen anyone on a PIP become successful vs staying employed. Sure, you may keep your job, but won't grow much.
Surprised any PIP is actually happening now. So many are leaving anyway. It's a blessing.

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Post ID: @epv+1hnxtEKx

Ahead of a downturn pips are clear warnings.
You can exit them provided the terms are in your control.
Usually they are not.
If the pip says anything like deliver on time, on budget etc then run.
If the pip is about some behavior issue with metrics not associated to program milestones then you can complete. You are still first on layoff list for next few years with no hope of a raise.
I have seen many people on a pip to deliver a program on Budget get sandbagged with extra people that dont contribute and other tricks.

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Post ID: @vfo+1hnxtEKx

In general, when you're put on a pip anywhere, look for a new job. For whatever the reason, you are likely not a fit for the one you're in. Period. Sure, some people can probably improve and make it, but like the one you mention, they may have to work to hard for it. If you have to try that hard to be acceptable at your job... do you really want that job? There may be something else you'll excel at without nearly the effort.

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