Has anyone asked for proof that the “non-vax surcharge” is a legitimate charge from the insurance company? Or is this a “Lumen charge” to offset their insurance costs...
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It's not about freedom, it's about money. Don't give a hoot if you get vaxed or not but insurance companies do. 98% of people in the ICU are unvaxed and those who don't die are often stuck with chronic health issues. It's expensive and companies aren't going to pay the premiums for people that decided against it. So don't pitch a fit when you're stuck with the bill.
Well this is going to be interesting to watch, seems lumen is banking on going to lose a small portion of workforce due to mandate, starting to look like going to be the "Frontline" workers who are going to lose jobs. You know us that deliver the product to the customers. What you going to replace me with a contractor? Ha! Going to be a "chit chow" with the quality of work the customers are going to receive.
Oh that’s right! Because Lumen is such a loyal, dedicated employer! You’re delusional! The weak my friend, are still there working for Lumen! Don’t fool yourself or give credit to that garbage company!
TECH IN PORTLAND:
That is great news to hear! We need to put a Spear in the cog of their machine. Treating this as more of a strike if we get fired would be ideal. This isn’t just Lumen however, this is about something far greater…that is the fall of our Democracy into communism. Today it’s a jab, tomorrow what if it’s an arm or a leg they request we remove from ourselves (allegorically speaking). What’s to stop government from banning the unvaxed from entering a grocery store? What’s not to say the government mandates all unvaxed to wear identifying patches are their sleeves to denote their unvaxed to the vaccinated? You see? This is not just about Lumen, this is about the Democracy we’ve turned our backs on for years. I ask, if not now…then when?
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Well your freedoms were earned by people that didn't want to give up their farms and family to fight for it but did, they sacrificed children for it not wanting to but did, they went to war with other countries to preserve it not because they wanted to but did it because it was the right thing to do, people don't want to pay taxes but do to preserve our Country and fund it, well except the richest it seems, only the little people pay taxes as Leona Helmsley once said. Is that tyrannical also?
I’m willing to give up my job to take a stand and fight for Liberty. I’m prepared to sacrifice my livelihood. The question is…Are you? Or will you once again bow Down to the powers that be, just to appease them once more in their unjust pursuit of tyranny? I implore you to take a stand for what you believe in. If not now…then when?
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I'm with you and so are several others at my garage. We've gone out in the field and into customers houses for 18 months unvaccinated, while call center employees and management hid in their houses. Now they want us to get a shot? Shouldn't we already be dead from the virus? It's about principle now. I'm not getting the shot, and am so tired of this company that I don't care about being let go. I just hope enough employees stand with us and walk that it does some damage to this sh---y company.
My fellow Lumineers, this is not about getting the vaccine or not getting the vaccine. This is about one’s right to make the choice for his/herself. This is not about party lines or left or right, this is about a freedom. Freedom to make a choice instead of a tyrannical government strong arming private entities into forcing a vaccine on its employees lest we lose our job. I ask those in favor of the mandate, how would you feel if your employer said you COULD NOT get the vaccine? Outraged, yes? This must be our line in the sand. We must take a stand for Liberty and the pursuit thereof. Because, if not now…then when?
Well your freedoms were earned by people that didn't want to give up their farms and family to fight for it but did, they sacrificed children for it not wanting to but did, they went to war with other countries to preserve it not because they wanted to but did it because it was the right thing to do, people don't want to pay taxes but do to preserve our Country and fund it, well except the richest it seems, only the little people pay taxes as Leona Helmsley once said. Is that tyrannical also?
Yes! Si vis PACEM para bellum!
My fellow Lumineers, this is not about getting the vaccine or not getting the vaccine. This is about one’s right to make the choice for his/herself. This is not about party lines or left or right, this is about a freedom. Freedom to make a choice instead of a tyrannical government strong arming private entities into forcing a vaccine on its employees lest we lose our job. I ask those in favor of the mandate, how would you feel if your employer said you COULD NOT get the vaccine? Outraged, yes? This must be our line in the sand. We must take a stand for Liberty and the pursuit thereof. Because, if not now…then when?
We’ll see what the religious exemption does. If that doesn’t work, I have some other paperwork for HR to sign or not to sign, that’s their choice. The only thing that matters is, don’t refuse the vaccine. Let them refuse to be responsible for any adverse reactions or death from the V. Do your research. So what if I become a target. If they want to fire me, they will find a reason. If you didn’t start preparing for scenarios like this after the first vsp, I’m sorry. When one door closes, another opens. Good luck to all. I hope to see useful information here as the deadline approaches.
Not a matter of being afraid, playing the odds, stand 10 yards with an apple on your head, I'm a pretty good "shot", will hit it somewhere between 90-100% of the time ,you"choose" the projectile and let's see what happens. ie: let's take it and see what happens...
To whom who thinks they'll be exempt.
Which is more painful.
Getting the shots or show proof of negative test results twice a week.
It was stated weekly testing. Not twice a week. Self test are 16 dollars each. If I have to swab my nose once a week no pain at all. And if I want a week off I’ll just state I couldn’t get a test and it will be unpaid but a week off is a week off. Now I’ll ask you. What are the long term affects of this vaccine? Can’t answer that because you don’t know. What’s more painful? Long term side affects from a dr-g that you have way of holding the dr-g manufacturers responsible or swabbing you nose once a week?
It's not about if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated, it is about the fact that you are employed in a union, and the choice to vaccinate should be yours and yours alone. Nobody should have to choose between their livelihood and their health. People who don't want to be vaccinated are having to make the choice to vaccinate just because of their job and that is wrong. The union should be doing more for all of you. These things are bargained for. The company does not care about the rules of the union and they definitely do not care about their employees.
To whom who thinks they'll be exempt.
Which is more painful.
Getting the shots or show proof of negative test results twice a week.
Making phone calls right now to get out. Found a job first call but hit a snag. We don't mandate the Vax but we work for a customer who does.
75% are vaxed now. Once boosters are required, that "fully vaccinated" percentage will drop. A lot of those 75% are not going to keep playing the game.
Assuming HR isn't lying about the percentages, given their track record of dishonesty.
To whom who are retiring. Good for you.
To whom who are leaving to find new better job. Good luck to you. You'll need it.
It will be like looking for a needle in a hay stack to find who does not mandate vaccination.
Hopefully the next hot p-t you're jumping into is less painful.
75% are Vaxed, like me. 25% are not in this company. If the 25% refuse to Vax-up, then we only lose 25% and I'm pretty sure contractors can fill that small figure. Plus, some of that 25% may decide to get the jab to stay employed. Really it could be 15-20% leaving. Company will be fine and the decision is yours. Oh, and the world and this company does not revolve around you. People are trying to figure out how to trick the mandate to stay employed here, but before this mandate those same people were complaining about cameras in the trucks and Link to success. It appears this company will never please you, so maybe you should leave. This is not going to be the only Telecom company with the mandate and who knows what contracting companies will require the mandate. You may need to choose a different field of employment.
Those of us leaving will be fine. I was already in the process as it was clear there was going to be a mandate that I do not want to comply with. My issue isn't only with the vaccine but how the company had not been forthright throughout this process. They never intended on going through with the surcharge but used the threat to scare people to get the shot. They have been spewing the CDC and Biden propaganda since before he got elected.
You can't work at Lumen unless your a woke robot.
All these peeps on here claiming theyre going to quit due to the new mandate. They already have better jobs lined up with better benefits and less stress. So why are you still working with this company? Leave tomorrow for that better job with better benefits. Youre not convincing anyone of anything other than the more sh-t you post on here the more we know youre full of sh-t. Leave. A contractor or a dozen contractors will replace you tomorrow. The company wants you to leave. They dont care if youre A#1 super special tech. They want all in house techs gone yesterday. Coming on here swinging your di-k around like anyone cares what you do or say just comes off as pathetic. Stay, go, get fired, quit. No one at this shithole gives two fu--s anymore.
It is irreverent if you had every shot in the past. You could have found God 2 minutes ago and your personal held convictions are valid.
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I got a religious exemption so we will see how I am handled. This will see how the company and this administration deal with how people of religion.
Have you got the Measles, Polio, Rubella, Flu, Shingles, Tetanus, etc, if yes case closed.
Has there been any good decisions made by these elites? Nope! What makes you think they will eventually get it? Never happen! Buffoons!
seems my a key doesnt want to work, sorry for the typos in my earlier post.
if you think it's just 10 or 20 percent not vaxxed your wrong.I'm looking forward to seeing things crash and burn for this comapny due to their own stupidity.Already lines up 3 jobs today , all with comapnies with benefits as good as Lumen has and cheaper, pays a little lower but not so much as to cause any change in lifestyle.
I think the higher ups in Lumen think they have people on a leash with teh whole"Get vaxxed or get fired" thing, but I think they'll be surprised when it backfires on them.
As to contractors coming in and working, good luck with that, paying by units is not a money making proposition for them and many people just don't want to work.
So for those leaving like me, good luck in your future endevours, let this place fade in the rearview.
mRNA actually has been around for a long time and has had many vaccines but the technology to make it sustain a longer duration to help fight viruses is what is newer. They have had flu mRNA vaccines back to the 1990s, Rabies vaccines back in 2010's, and has been used to fight Ebola in African countries. So I get that its not 50 or 70 years old but it doesn't take that long now like it did back then to test, synthesize, produce, tweek, etc. things like it did back then. Technology has come a long way, just look at the old step switches that took up whole buildings of that era and now its digital and can fit under a desk.
So again no one is forcing you to work here, to take the shot, to eat a health diet, not to smoke, to stop at the red light, etc. that is a choice you have to make. Just like a company can choose what direction they want to go as well and they want to have a vaccinated work force they have said. Everything is a choice, make yours and move on.
This job isn't that hard and really can be done by anyone with some training.
So if you choose to not get the shot then thats your choice.
If you choose not the show up to work, that is your choice.
If you choose not to stop at the red light, again that is your choice.
You make lots of choices everyday and all of them will have consequences.
After seeing Scott’s email it looks like they may have seen the request for retirement papers flooding across. CTL may be offering to drive people to church so they can request a religious exemption to keep from loosing 25% of his workforce. Finding people to work right now is hard plus trying to find qualified in this field is becoming impossible. Guess they can hire us back as one man companies and paying us a higher wage?
Finally a date. The company is making there choice, now make yours and stop crying about it, geesh. Seems like a room of preschoolers on the first day of class all crying for mommy. I get it if you don't want to get the shot, thats your choice. It's also the companies to not employ you if you don't follow there choice to have a vaccinated staff.
Why is it ok for you to have a choice but not someone/something else to have one? Everyone is making a choice on this topic and no one is forcing you to get the shot, there are other jobs out there. This isn't political like many wish to make it, it is just a choice that everyone has to make for themselves and their family. There are lots of other amazing jobs out there that do not have mandates, so grab one of those and make yourself happy and stop whining about the one you have now all day on here.
Again it's a choice no one is forcing anyone to get it.
None of the places I work have any vaccine requirements. I’m a specialized tech so my customers are set and I work with weekly. But if the company decides to go that route then so be it. I was looking for a job when I found this one.
They won't fire you for your religious beliefs, they'll fire you for lack of accommodated work. Legally different and not prohibited.
Well that will be very interesting. I’m pretty sure I take classes every year that says we won’t discriminate on race, religion or se-ual orientation. So firing someone for religious beliefs would be against the companies own standards and would likely be met with a barrage of legal repercussions.
They will accommodate this like they do with limited duty restrictions. No work available that doesn't meet the terms of your accommodation so "job search" then out the door.
What can we do! We need to fight this!
I got a religious exemption so we will see how I am handled. This will see how the company and this administration deal with how people of religion.
I'm VAX'd, so I'm okay. Going in to do my route with Mandatory OT, so extra cash there. Cameras in the trucks are not going away. Link to Success is not going away. Now a vaccine mandate. This is capitalism, the company is doing what is best for them. Or they could say no, but they are not. If you quit; the company will replace you with a contractor. Wheels will keep turning but you're upset and fighting to keep your job at Sears. Comply, stay employed, continue the medical coverage and get paid. Or yell at a wall, quit and move on to a company with no mandate. It's another way the company can lessen actual employees and bring in more contract help.
This is the most political company I have ever been associated with. I wouldn't suggest working for this company or doing any business with them if you can avoid it.
Won't matter. Federal contractor and that will be used to bypass state rules. Just like the unvaxed surcharge.
Unless you live in a state that forbids vaccine mandates. Florida, Montana and Texas forbid vaccine mandates in one way or another.
I heard mandatory vaccines or your going to be forced to use PTO thrn not paid time till you cow down.