Imagine ignoring natural immunity and mandating a vaccine that puts your employees with prior infection at risk and for no reason. An antibody test confirms protection. It is negligent not to offer that as an alternative.
You talk the talk; it’s time to walk the walk, Anthem. Improving the health of humanity isn’t at the end of a needle. Not even close.
Wrong. Lack of education and fallacy as facts is the cause of the pandemic. I’m in no delusion that reason would change your mind or you would think of someone other than yourself.
You eating 10 hotdogs a day will not ki-l me. You not being vaccinated can. Can you not get the difference?
There are incentives financially to having lower BMIs and other health metrics. Anthem has done that for years to encourage healthy behavior. Corporate responsibility encouraging personal responsibility, which is exactly what I’m referring too.
Incentives are not enough to ensure a healthy working environment. Knocking of $100 a month is not enough for me to risk my life setting beside a non vaccinated coworker.
I’m quoting dictionaries and literature. Not making anything up. But I do have a responsibility to be a little more clear or simple depending on the audience.
“You are what you say you are” - you fit right in with the current climate.
Where is the corporate responsibility to mandate health? Next up - a BMI mandate. Lose weight or you’re fired. Standardize the application of “personal responsibility”. Since we’re making up our own interpretations of definitions, I am fully immunized.
Forgot again who I was dealing with …
Personal responsibility falls within Corporate responsibility - “The four pillars of corporate responsibility: Ethics, leadership, personal responsibility and trust“. You are right I should have been more clear for you.
Also just so you know … Words can more than one meaning.
From Merriam-Webster:
5a : being rational and self-conscious
personal, responsive government is still possible
Personal responsibility does stop with the individual. It is quite literally the definition. Jesus. Go back to whatever co---e ho-e you crawled out of. Whomever is paying you to spew the same tired propaganda should request a refund.
I wouldn’t be too sure about that, based on your arguments you may be suffering from long-term Covid.
Personal responsibility doesn’t stop at the individual. Corporations have a personal responsibility too. When this fails then government steps in.
I hope Anthem didn’t let Deadpool go. You could be our poster child for immunity.
You must be joking. If personal responsibility were a thing in this country, 42% of the population wouldn’t be obese. I have an immune system that made covid a cold because I’ve taken care of myself. That whole personal responsibility thing in action.
Got a good laugh from that one, thanks Pfriend.
You post sites, articles and thoughts that are a page right out of the Mein Kampf. All your points and arguments are same propaganda I’ve read in countless forums and threads and mimic the Russian nonsense. So if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it probably is a duck.
I believe in personal responsibility. If we do what’s right; then there will be less need for government intervention. The problem is that it doesn’t exist today. “I won’t wear a mask”, “I won’t take a vaccine”, “I won’t do social distancing”. So small government proponents missed a big opportunity by not exercising personal responsibility. Result is an institution needs to make people do the right thing.
Everything else is a straw man argument and I’m not playing 😉
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/02/16/2021.02.14.21251715.full.pdf
Russian propaganda? I don’t have Facebook and if that’s some political suggestion, I don’t associate with either party so I can’t speak to international interference on who knows what.
It’s clear that you support government overreach. They’re stomping all over the constitution and people like you are sitting idly by, brainwashed by those in power who control the narrative. That’s not science. Never has been, never will be. The FDA ensures our food is junk and creates the problem, big pharma creates the solution, and so on and so forth. Every customer cured is a customer lost. Why would they promote heath? Right - they wouldn’t. Not one peep about the importance of diet and exercise and vitamins. Not one. Obesity is the #1 risk factor to a poor covid outcome - let’s give doughnuts away to good little sheep who get their shots!
Anthem can make the decision and if it’s the wrong one, they can also deal with the consequences like any other company. The airlines are learning how that works too. Lawsuits, strikes, revenue hits, etc.
Meanwhile, enjoy those six month boosters as they continue to boil you froggies. All for something with a 99%+ survival rate for the majority.
One day in USA is worse than the entire pandemic in Singapore, including Delta. The vaccine works against Delta, but nothing is 100%. Flu vaccine is not 100%. But because it is effective against Delta, someone can get the virus and have a no/mild reaction and build up further immunity. Chances of mutations decrease and life can go on, just like the Flu.
Your philosophy of getting COVID and building natural immunity has resulted in the numbers you see in the USA. It’s obvious which strategy works. This 100% effective argument is old. Of course it’s not, no medicine is. Flu is manageable and COVID can be too, but requires more vaccinations than the flu.
Who’s regurgitating who. I see your argument all over Facebook, which is littered with Russian propaganda and other interests. Just a 🐑 from another flock.
Singapore’s infections are driven by the Delta variant. Most death’s are in unvaccinated older people and those with weak immune systems. Death toll is 280, up from 55 early in September. Prior to September, Singapore reported 87,892 Covid cases and 78 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic.
USA just TODAY : 81,987 new cases and 1,873 deaths. One day in USA is worse than Singapore’s entire pandemic.
If we were vaccinated, like Singapore, you wouldn’t be loosing your job, we would have a real chance for herd immunity in the face of Delta, via a vaccine to covid vs covid to vaccine/non vaccine. Numbers will start to come out of Singapore showing the effectiveness of stopping Delta due to vaccines and herd immunity.
Learn how to read the numbers. Graphs are relative, the bigger bar doesn’t mean it’s worse. You have to look at the number on the y-axis. Sorry I mean left 😉
Herd immunity like Singapore and Israel? How does a country like Singapore have 82% of their population vaccinated and have spikes in new cases higher than any other time during the pandemic? Or wait, let me guess - herd immunity is reached at 100% vaccinated? Talk about misinformation - herd immunity can absolutely be reached with vaccine and natural infection. It is not vaccine only.
Two weeks to flatten the curve turned into take two shots or you lose your ability to work pretty fast. They’re already discussing adding boosters to the definition of “fully vaxed”. Boil the frog.
If you’re afraid of covid, get the vaccine. That is where your sphere of influence ends.
The threshold for herd immunity is only attainable by using vaccines. Herd-immunity is unlikely because of factors such as vaccine hesitancy, the emergence of new variants and the delayed arrival of vaccinations for children. Yes it is a science, but that science requires an action to take place in order for the science to work. Simply declaring herd immunity without doing the necessary action is nonsense.
A Harvard epidemiologist whose peers and colleagues do not agree with. So you picked the one person that supports your position and are ignoring all the other expert epidemiologist within Harvard and the world - Strange.
We are not off track. Your thought system is screwy. Everything below is false. Read the other threads on COVID and you’ll see it’s all debunked.
The Harvard epidemiologist was a big proponent on herd immunity. 750K deaths in USA and 5M deaths worldwide and still no immunity. To many people have to die to support a non vaccine approach to handling this epidemic. #’s would have been much worse without the vaccine, mask mandates, etc.
Now after that blunder - the same epidemiologist is trying to double down on his blunder and focus on natural immunity after 5M deaths have occurred. I’m not getting behind a strategy that cost 5M lives and counting. “Hey everyone we lost the entire population of Chicago and Los Angeles, but guess what I I think herd immunity is working.” My head is out of the sand and I see this nonsense for exactly what it is. You didn’t do your part to help curb this epidemic and you don’t get to walk away with no consequences.
Similar results as Israel’s.
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/harvard-epidemiologist--the-case-for-vaccine-passports-was-demolished_1/
Brownstone isn’t banned from anything. If you don’t like them, try the Harvard epidemiologist. Or go to the research sites and search yourself. Or don’t, and keep your head buried in the sand.
I discredited the site you posted because it’s a known disinformation spreader, not a Google search.
Why would I waste my time wading through a curated list of research put together by a group that is banned from some social media platforms for spreading COVID-19 misinformation.
Have fun living in your conspiracy theory. Useless 🐑
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/341241/WHO-2019-nCoV-Sci-Brief-Natural-immunity-2021.1-eng.pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v2
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8209951/pdf/RMV-9999-e2260.pdf
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.19.21260302v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1
https://rupress.org/jem/article/218/5/e20202617/211835/Highly-functional-virus-specific-cellular-immune
The links aren’t related to lifesite - they were posted on brownstone. Not studies BY brownstone; they simply collected and posted.
Funny how you discredit a site based on a Google search without bothering to read the actual studies which were unrelated to the company who had posted. But you believe the FDA who has ex commissioners in board seats at Pfizer and Moderna. Nothing to see here! I’m sure it’s all on the up and up! Censor and label those who don’t agree with the agenda. Talk about anti-science.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4
From Wikipedia:
LifeSiteNews (or simply LifeSite) is a Canadian Catholic far-right anti-ab-----n advocacy and news publication. LifeSiteNews has published misleading information and conspiracy theories, and in 2021, was banned from some social media platforms for spreading COVID-19 misinformation.
This is why your links get removed and why I’m not wasting my time with your nonsense
Not all are of those peer reviewed but I’ve read a lot that are and that aren’t listed there. It’s not hard to find them, either.
List some. I’ve listed plenty of peer reviewed research that supports vaccinations. “ At this point, people are only willfully ignorant” for not getting vaccinated.
Despite many peer reviewed studies proving that natural immunity is just as good, if not better than the vaccine? At this point, people are only willfully ignorant.
Not all antibodies are created equal. An antibody’s effectiveness against viruses and other threats depends not only on how strongly it binds but where it binds. Natural immunity can result in thousands of different antibodies that bind to different proteins on a virus or different parts of the same protein. Some of these antibodies might not deter the virus at all, while others may block key proteins, for example the spike protein the coronavirus uses to infect cells.
The vaccine is engineered to focus on the spike protein and produce memory B cells making it more consistent across the wider population. Natural immunity has more variables making it hard to decipher effectiveness across the same population. So a test may show X antibodies, but can’t show the effectiveness of those antibodies generated.
Covid tracing was to be used pre-vaccine. Now that vaccines are available it’s not needed if vaccines are used.
Shouldn’t the individual be responsible for trusting their immune system? If I have antibodies through natural infection and you have antibodies through vaccination, please explain the difference.
“They don’t know yet” is a perfectly valid response. And thus, so should be the option for vaccination.
Secondarily, when you get antibody tests, they don’t ask you if or when you had covid, nor do they ask if you’d had the vaccine. Seems like a pretty easy way to add data to a hypothesis, doesn’t it? How long antibodies last past infection? But instead they spent millions on ‘covid tracing’ which was a colossal waste of time. Who cares if I was at the mall a week before I had symptoms? What are they going to do, call the mall and ask who else was there? Or weeks after the event when it no longer matters, determine the mall was a hot spot? All they want is to sell the fear so they can control people and make them more dependent. Look what they did to our economy…criminal.
There is a wide variation in Covid patients’ immune responses to infection. Testing is not were it needs to be to safely say natural immunity is same or better. There’s no agreement on the amount or the types of antibodies that would signal protection from the disease.
So just like the pro vaccine people, you’ll need to wait for the research to coincide what you believe to be true. In the meantime the link below is the current recommendation.
Curious how vaccines are relevant to the workplace since proof of them isn’t required today? Especially when working from home is a viable alternative.
what's the risk? maybe if people would pull their heads out and realize this country already has mandatory vaccinations. try enrolling your child in school, join the military. keep up that thinking like others and prolong this for everyone else.
Life or death, really? It’s the unvaccinated who are causing this? Weird, since Israel and Singapore are among the most vaccinated countries and have spikes in new cases that are unparalleled to any other time during the pandemic.
If hospitals are so overwhelmed, why are they firing staff?
If natural immunity isn’t a thing, why did the media censor another expert - this time a Harvard epidemiologist (so not just a Dr - an actual expert) who said natural infection is superior to the vax? Why has Israel reported the same?
Who is posting links to news sites like they know a thing? What is the desired outcome of a vaccine? ANTIBODIES. Many many peer-reviewed scientific journal studies that confirm the same. I could see why Pfizer doesn’t want antibody tests, because it will just prove how ineffective their dr-gs really are.
If you’re afraid, YOU stay home. The vaccine doesn’t prevent infection nor transmission, so you can protect yourself and not worry, right? Turn off the TV…the propaganda machine is turning you all into zombies.
I understand wishing an alternative. Unfortunately this is life or death. Our hospital staff are exhausted. Only a very minuscule number of covid patients in hospital have been fully vaccinated.
It is the unvaccinated, unmasked people causing all of the numbers to spike and the Hospital admissions and deaths.
The cost unvaccinated people are costing this country is huge, not only in dollars, but our inability to socialize, slow down of economy. And the unfortunate deaths.
If you do not wish to be vaccinated, please stop using hospitals as they are needed for more than just covid cases. Please stop going out into the public - contracting and spreading the virus to others. Please do enjoy living at home without your mask and stop risking the lives of others.
Currently largest death spike in Covid are cases of young children who are not yet eligible to be vaccinated.
Antibody tests are not recommended
https://www.cbs17.com/community/health/coronavirus/labs-are-offering-covid-19-antibody-tests-do-you-really-need-one/
I dont agree with forced vaccination... Frequent testing is needed anyways regardless of vaccination status, you can still spread virus with vaccine. But the idea that people shouldn't wear masks in public spaces where others could be breathing Covid at each other is to me the most re--rded thing about people trying an alternative view.