Is effective December 8th.
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If you believe in "my body, my choice", arm yourself with information to help overcome the illegal vaccine mandate if you don't want to comply. I personally know of several people that have become irreparably harmed from getting it (i.e. strokes, blood clots, constant nervous system twitching, death) - survivors all have regrets that will last a lifetime (however long that will be).
Start by visiting https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/2/ Not only do they have resources, they also provide the means to purchase Virus "kits" (i.e. hydroxyq/ivermec, z-pack) in case you contract the Virus - it is legit as my whole family has them. Also visit https://www.greatlakesjc.org/ They don't take individual exemption cases, but you can read Western Mich Univ athlete religious exemptions/case that was successful at the federal court & if you reach out, they will send info.
Regretfully, I am unable to disclose myself for fear of retaliation but know that there are resources that can help - I was successful in getting an exemption for a family member who works in healthcare where the successful exemption rate averages a mere 9%.
God bless America
Certain post were removed becasue of conveying Henry Ford involvement in Germany during WWII.
Look it up it's a fact but this is a gossip site.
Years ago, as a kid growing up near the Ford mansion, we used to play in the woods nearby and behind a fence on the property stood derelict buildings that had tunnels connecting to the Rouge River. All the neighborhood kids knew it as "Hi---r's Hideout
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5th circuit rules against biden mandate.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/federal-appeals-court-affirms-stay-biden-vaccine-mandate-2021-11-12/
@5qlu+1dCjFaTA - It's surprising how people would prefer to forget about the less pleasant aspects of ol' Henry. There was his dislike of members of a certain religion, strike breaking, and intrusion into worker's private lives. Mr. Ford despised dipsomaniacs so would since his goons around to worker's homes to ensure they didn't have any booze in the house. Of course he was also possessed of genius in things mechanical and business which were huge contributions to the amazing world we live in today. I think we do ourselves a disservice when we ignore either side of the story instead of being willing to see things for what the were.
Certain post were removed becasue of conveying Henry Ford involvement in Germany during WWII.
Look it up it's a fact but this is a gossip site.
Read the small print for this site that they will pass your post onto who ever ask....
Yep, the people running site wipe clean all the time and has nothing with language but connected to Ford HR.
So I see this site was wiped clean of posts again.
Was there a bunch of foul language,
te---r threats, or was it all the po-n link posts that were deleted?
Or, was it just that Ford didn't like critical posts?
I haven’t seen any posts you’re referring to , but no matter what side of the vax issue you’re on , the constant eroding of retiree benefits is no laughing matter. We will all be in that boat one day.
It will be fun to see how many are here b!tching about being let go Keep humoring us retirees getting our health care jacked
@4pwt+1dCjFaTA - I'm right there with you 100%
There is no way I'm going to going to abdicate my health choices to my current employer or government at any level. I'll be honest and admit that I don't trust the federal government to always have my best interests in mind. Two things, out of many, that contribute to this prudence are the Tuskegee Sy-----s Study and the handling of the 1976 Swine Flu
https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak
Let’s get one thing straight: I alone am in charge of my medical decisions, not Ford Motor Company, not the Federal Government.
And I’ll pay the price to retain my Liberty, whatever that may be. I won’t be extorted into surrendering my bodily autonomy by any power except for God.
I heard of Ford employee's getting together with a law firm ...does anyone know of who to contact or which firm?
@3ybk+1dCjFaTA Thanks for letting us know about OSHA accepting comments. This was my comment:
Hi,
This is probably a waste of my time, because let's face it, everybody at OSHA is going to toe the presidential line. However, I am allowed to provide my input regarding this document, and here it is.
First of all, let's start by saying the authors did a good job in this paper, collecting a lot of of bibliography and showing some of the transmission cases. However, I feel they left out important parts.
One of the omissions was the list of severe vaccine side effects. Yes, I see the common side effects list, but where are the clotting effects of the J vaccine, or the Bell's Palsy effects in Pfizer's? BTW, Health Canada added Bell's Palsy to the product information of the Pfizer's vaccine, but I cannot find the same in the US. Isn't it interesting that this document have examples and studies from other countries, but it missed the side effects listed in other countries?
I agree there are not many cases of severe side effects, statistically speaking, even when there are actually several thousands of persons affected in the US. However, there is no reference in this paper to those cases, nor any recommendation of who is obligated to pay for the hospitalization expenses in those rare occurrences.
As we are touching the compensation point, I believe the 4 hours of paid time by the employer should cover the vaccine's common side effects on the employees. Now, who is reimbursing the employer for all those paid hours? As per this document, it should be cost of business. However, everybody knows that reducing taxes by deductions it is a lower amount than the expense that was forced by OSHA.
Another important point that I didn't see was natural immunity, seeing as there are studies of it before the vaccines. Also, I noticed the infection-acquired immunity sections in this document lack logic and common sense. Seeing as around 38 millions of Americans had Covid-19, it should require a better explanation and deeper interest from the authors.
"OSHA finds that there is insufficient evidence to allow the agency to consider infection-acquired immunity to allay the grave danger of exposure to, and reinfection from, SARS-CoV-2.". Well, did they survive the infection without being hospitalized? Doesn't this just prove they are already resilient to the virus? After all, the vaccine does not prevent the person from getting sick. It just diminishes the chances of death or ending in a hospital bed, which these people already have and did.
"A considerable number of individuals who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 do not appear to have acquired effective immunity to the virus". Technically, we are not immune to other viruses neither. The rapid rate of mutations of the viruses, due to the single RNA chain, will always put our immune system at a disadvantage.
There is a very important topic that I failed to see reflected in this paper: antiviral treatment. Seeing as Great Britain approved the first Covid-19 treatment pill from Merck around the same time this document was posted by OSHA, and Pfizer published that its pill cut the severe Covid-19 risks by 89%, I would think these developments rendered the vaccine obsolete, or at most, a second choice for the people most at risk.
All these omissions in the document are severe by themselves. However, for an agency that prizes itself on protecting employees on all US jurisdictions, including federal agencies, it is odd seeing it passing a mandate that could and will, force some employees to lose their jobs, while putting others at risk of the vaccines' severe side effects, and at the same time, relinquishing its authority to the POTUS on all the federal contractor's employees.
Thanks
Fauci and the vax are like Lonesome Rhodes and Vitajex
OSHA accepting comments, make your voice heard. It works.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/11/05/2021-23643/covid-19-vaccination-and-testing-emergency-temporary-standard
Quit complaining about the vaccines The US is number one in the world for highest covid deaths Get it?
The UAW will be excluded for the same reason the Postal Service is exempt, the unions provide the money and manpower to elect the party instituting mandates, lockdowns and other restrictions.
It is obviously not about health when hundreds of thousands of postal workers come in contact with large numbers of citizens every day.
Don’t think for a moment all these companies won’t sign on to a federal contract to test hand sanitizer preference if it gets them where they want to go
This has the makings of a PR nightmare as some employees may have the testing option while others don’t. As far as I know none of the auto companies have made any statements since the OSHA ruling was released.
ETS doesn’t matter I don’t think if federal mandates are in place.
Workplaces not covered by the ETS. This standard does not apply to workplaces covered under the Safer Federal Workforce Task Force COVID-19 Workplace Safety: Guidance for Federal Contractors and Subcontractors or in settings where employees provide healthcare services or healthcare support services when subject to the requirements of the Healthcare ETS (29 CFR 1910.502).
“ If an employer requires vaccination in their workplace, they cannot fire an employee who refuses to be vaccinated and agrees to be tested weekly while providing documentation and wearing a mask. Employees can refuse vaccination based on sincerely held religious beliefs and disabilities. OSHA does not prevent employers from taking disciplinary action against employees who do not comply. Employers are advised to consult applicable law and/or labor management contracts”
Like the old saying goes “ where there’s a will , there’s a way “. If they want everyone vaccinated , whatever manipulation it takes will be used.
There are two sets of regulations. The Guidance one applies to companies with federal contracts and employees working on them. They are required to be vaccinated, no testing option.
You might not know of any projects in your facility , and not be working on them , but that doesn’t matter. I would imagine just about anything can be part of a federal contract. That’s the lever they can use.
It’s comforting to know you don’t have to wear a mask and social distance in your own home ( yet ) while you are working on a federal contract.
For those that are , better put a piece of tape over the webcam anyway.
Can they legally say no testing even though it says you can get weekly testing in the osha guidelines? And that’s if you’re actually in the office
Do those OSHA guidelines apply over the federal mandate?
It sounds like it doesn’t even apply to all salaried employees !
“For U.S. salaried employees in manufacturing plants, parts depots and Ford Motor Credit, along with UAW-represented employees, additional information will be provided in a future announcement as we expect details on the regulations and required actions to be released in the coming weeks.”
OSHA Vaccination and Testing ETS FAQs 3.H.
https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81470-collapse8
If I decide to have a mandatory vaccination policy, does OSHA require me to employ and unvaccinated person who refuses to get vaccinated.
No. Section 11(c) of the OSH Act provides that an employer may not discharge or in any manner retaliate against an employee because the employee exercised any right under the OSH Act. However, section 11(c) of the OSH Act does not prevent employers from taking disciplinary action against employees for engaging in activities that are not protected by the OSH Act. For example, an employee’s refusal to comply with the employer’s policy on vaccination would generally not be protected under the OSH Act.
Before taking any personnel actions, however, employers should consult applicable law and/or labor management contracts. Additional information can be found in OSHA’s guidance regarding Workers’ Rights under the COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing ETS and from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), see “What You Should Know About COVID-19 and the ADA, the Rehabilitation Act, and Other EEO Laws.”
Yeah very confusing. Many unanswered logical questions. Is this only for salaried workers? I hear the union was excluded
Coming soon ….a pencil sharpener comparison for the Pentagon in every facility
From the wording in the email and Guidance, it seems employees not involved with contracted work should be fall under the OSHA guidelines just released. Probably won't go that way though, that's why they pay lawyers so much...
KR will clear all this up after the OnlyFans session with JH is done
Also :
Q11: How does this Guidance apply to covered contractor employees who are authorized under the covered contract to perform work remotely from their residence?
A: An individual working on a covered contract from their residence is a covered contractor employee, and must comply with the vaccination requirement for covered contractor employees, even if the employee never works at either a covered contractor workplace or Federal workplace during the performance of the contract. A covered contractor employee’s residence is not a covered contractor workplace, so while in the residence the individual need not comply with requirements for covered contractor workplaces, including those related to masking and physical distancing, even while working on a covered contract.
Here's what the Guidelines for Federal Contractors says :
"The actions directed by the order will ensure that parties who contract with the Federal
Government provide COVID-19 safeguards in workplaces with individuals working on or in
connection with a Federal Government contract or contract-like instrument. These workplace
safety protocols will apply to all covered contractor employees, including contractor or
subcontractor employees in covered contractor workplaces who are not working on a Federal
Government contract or contract-like instrument."
@3fsb+1dCjFaTA - FWIW (or not worth) I did notice that email they sent was a bit ambiguous around the federal contractor thing. Yes it did say Ford is a federal contractor, but the preceding text seemed to indicate that only a subset of employees actually do work on the federal contracts.
In any case, this is a great example of the Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.
@3fsb+1dCjFaTA
I wonder if that applies to the contract, purchased services, agencies then that work for Ford essentially.
Employees of covered employers not subject to
the requirements.
The ETS does not apply to
employees who do not report to a workplace
where other individuals such as coworkers or
customers are present, employees while they
are working from home, or employees who
work exclusively outdoors.
When are people actually going to do something about this? Strength in numbers. Need to get UAW colleagues to help. This is insane and not the Ford I've known.