I'm trying to determine if accepting this offer will put me in a better or worse position than I'm in now. I've been looking to leave my current employer for a while now, and this seems like a great opportunity on the surface. LinkedIn is rarely any help in situations like this, but after checking out Glassdoor and this board, I'm starting to have some doubts. Any honest input on this would be highly appreciated.
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https://careers.honeywell.com/us/en/job/P-100012/Software-Engineer-Genesis-Early-Career-Program
They are still hiring into that program that left me in the cold with half a degree. I wish I could warn these new graduates. At the very least I will be calling the career counseling office at every college that picks up the phone to tell my personal story.
@lio+1bXLyMSU So Karen, if Honeywell is so wonderful, why have several of the favored children of DA and GL resigned and left? Even after those two "leaders" have begged them to stay? Inquiring minds want to know...
Better to try to join as a Chemical Engineer than a custodian: They haven't employed anyone to clean the black, sticky, matted carpeting or clean the mold out of the A/C vents in years.
If you want to be really useful at Honeywell, join the group as an N95 mask.
Do your teeth a favor and look elsewhere. This company is so cheap that they discontinued dental coverage ... in this country anyway.
Thank you everybody who took the time to respond, I highly appreciate all the answers. I am grateful for your honesty and advice, it gives me a lot to think about.
Interesting. So you found your way to this layoff board, and asked this question without reading a few threads first? Or you read some threads and asked about working at HW anyway? Come on! Either you're an HR shill or not very good at your homework.
What else do you need to know about working at HW that is not covered here? It really is as people describe, and not just in Aero. Even the people who jump on the "whiners" here are just being bullies and are not actually extolling the virtues of the company.
Your questions have been answered on this board over and over again. We can't make this stuff up. Read through the first 20 threads here and note how many people relate similar experiences. If you still seek an answer to your original question, you may not be bright enough to work at HW.
Stay the He-l away from Honeywell! Do not accept the offer they give you. Go flip burgers at McDonalds. They have better benefits than Honeywell.
Congratulations on your H1B Visa, especially if you are sponsored from China, India, Mexico, or Romania!
Welcome to Honeywell.
Honeywell doesn't offer competitive wages or benefits, as has been well documented on this site. In fact, HR and "leadership" lowered the salary bands for years, in an attempt to lower wage increases and bump more people against the band "ceiling." A number of highly talented individuals have left and new hires are hard to find across many functions. Work from home is hated by "leadership" and they are deaf to the flexibility that people want today, especially after COVID. The culture has become toxic, particularly in Aerospace. Working nights and weekends is expected. I spent too many years at Honeywell, and am glad to be gone. You'll need to make your own choice, however if you take the offer, don't say you weren't warned.
Honeywell hired me as an engineer two years ago. They promised me , in writing, that I would be given time and funds to earn a master degree from GeorgiaTech. After investing a year of massive effort, too grades, great performance reviews you can imagine the result. Honeywell cancelled the program and told all of my fellow colleagues “so sorry”. I have a year invested and no way to pay for finishing the degree.
The only way I could finish was to leave Honeywell.
Still want to work for them?
Personally I am still so angry that I found myself telling this story to a stranger who was about to buy a Honeywell fan in Walmart the other day. Yup.. that is how petty you will become after a year at Honeywell.
Also the bathrooms are unsanitary, filthy and the retirement matching is only deposited into your account 3 years after you start. So unless you can deal with this for 3 entire years of your life , do not consider it a benefit.
Honeywell will underpay you as much as possible. If you accept, do not take their initial offer, they want to see if they can hire you for next to nothing. If you decide to take their offer, here is what to expect:
Mandatory unpaid overtime of 10-20% per week. This is either explicitly asked for (called EEI - employee engagement index). There is no compensation for this. If you simply dont do this, you will be laid off next cycle or put on a PIP.
PIP - Performance Improvement Program: Every year Honeywell has a PIP quota of about 10%. usually 1 person in each department will be placed on a "PIP". A PIP consists of various tasks you must complete along with regular meetings with HR and your manager to monitor your "progress". If selected for a PIP, you will not receive a raise that year. PIP's have nothing to do with your performance however Honeywell will try to convince you it does. They exist as a cost savings measure by denying raises. It is very common to be PIP'd at Honeywell, in fact many of your coworkers have likely been put on one, being told by their manager it is simply "their turn" and there is nothing that can be done as it is an official policy. PIP's will increase if the stock price goes down or there is any sign of turbulence to the business. Another tactic Honeywell likes to use is to set impossible goals for employees to justify PIP's, blaming it on you.
Constant burn and turn: Honeywells policy is to hire people and dispose of them in 3-5 years through abuse, mistreatment and PIPs. This allows them to save costs by not paying raises and promotions and not paying benefits and insurance to aging employees. Higher turnover means more opportunity to outsource to low cost countries. Expect management to constantly try to find ways to outsource your job. There is no job security. They will try their hardest to make you miserable to encourage you to quit. This saves them the cost of paying you a severance, which is 1 weeks pay for year worked, at a minimum of 4 weeks pay. It is paltry and yet they refuse to pay even that. If you even receive that, consider yourself lucky.
Benefits: They are not good. the dental insurance is worthless, they will send you to the cheapest most third-world legally qualifying as a "dentist" in town. It will probably not even be sanitary. Regular health insurance is high deductible and expensive. 401K is offered as well as matching whenever Honeywell feels like giving it out. This is frequently taken away at the soonest opportunity if the stock price goes down.
Also expect a total lack of support from the company on all issues. There will be no IT department and you will have to take care of your own IT issues. The alternative is sending a ticket to India and hoping they can help via Skype or Zoom. They will usually reply days later and not fix the problem. No concessions will be made for deadlines no matter how critical the issues resulting from this. Honeywell will simply blame you.
When you work at Honeywell, you will not be treated as a human being and instead as a liability. The offices are old, mildewy, smell, etc. Expect old fa---d-in chairs from the 90s, stains all over the carpet, stains on the wall, peeling wallpaper. Yes it really is that bad.
Take their offer. Start working but continue full court press to land another job. If you stay you have been warned! It is actually worse then read on this site.
The pay is not “decent” as several posters mentioned. The starting pay is competitive, otherwise they can’t get you in the door. After that, the squeeze is on, with sub-inflation increases. This board has been extremely active for well over five years, it is not just recent activity tied to the pandemic. Earnings have been artificially inflated by cost cutting, and they resent needing to pay U.S. wages. Benefits have been decimated. Basically you get cr---y health insurance and a 7% 401k match. If you don’t care about fair compensation, job security, or career growth then it is probably OK for a temporary gig as a last resort only.
Recommend you read several months of topics and input from current and former employees on this lay-off forum. It will give you good in site into the company and what you can expect.
Do your own research outside of this site to see what you find. Yes stock price is strong, ask questions and research culture and see what you find. You will tend to get the class half full here, but I spent 13yrs with this place and now i have moved on. Unfortunately, there is constant leadership churn you can find this on the internet.....with leadership churn, promises end up being broken. Get everything in ng in writing because the one thing for sure is the future is not given with this company that has a vision to reduce its size, the CEO has made it public that his vision is to sibstantially reduce footprint and headcount becoming a software industrial, not opinion but fact.
What they tell you: Decent pay.
What they don’t tell you: Toxic culture. Mediocre benefits (don’t match your 401k until December). No work life balance
Best advice is get everything in writing. If it is not in writing assume it will not happen. For a stepping stone to a better job it may be a good opportunity but plan on 5 years or less longevity. If not promoted within 3 years you are most likely dead ended. Be sure to ask if it is a new position and if not ask about why the position is open. The first time you see they are lying. Adjust your carreer plans.
You are about to get tons of replies about how Honeywell is a horrible company, is doomed to fail, is a sinking ship, etc., etc., etc. Honeywell as a corporation is strong. The benefits are pretty much on par with the market in today's world. And if you are considering accepting an offer, than the pay is, at least, competitive. So, listen to all the crybabies about to jump on this, or make an educated decision. Your choice.