My manager said we aren’t until 2022 bc of risk. Also we might be on an alternating schedule. Are you being told anything different?
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Charlies has said by September.. but several teams are WFH before covid will be staying that way so..
Here's hoping for a new covid variant. I am not sacrificing myself for an economy based vaccine. Call me selfish. Would you sacrifice your child for a stranger if there was a possible risk? Greater good my ar-e. If Congress can't have a full house and wear a mask or 2 for former VP Biden speech that's all I need to know. They don't trust it and I'm not drinking the Jim Jones koolaid. Just cuz I don't want the vaccine doesn't mean I'm being irresponsible. Mind your own health business and I'll mind mine
My spouse is a nurse. The vaccine effectiveness is approximately 4 to 6 months from current data. After that a booster is needed and I doubt there is data yet how long that lasts. This is all uncharted territory.
That being said, being vaccinated is the best course despite all the propaganda from people out there with an agenda. This is a public health crisis folks. It has nothing to do with freedom or choice. Think about the we instead of me for once and do society a favor. There is a reason other countries refer to the ugly American and many are proving it the last couple of years.
They also expect a zillion dollars an hour and to be CEO by the time they are 25. Should we adjust the MRPs now? The truth of the matter is, there are LOBs where in person interaction is beneficial. People that demand WFH simply don't do those jobs, just like they wouldn't apply to be a fire fighter or a plumber or a mechanic. Either way, the expectation/demand doesn't change the value (if any) of in-person work.
@1pok+1azpTwAl poster here: Meant "effects", not "affects"
Sadly, mandating vaccines is 100% legal for businesses, schools, etc. (my husband's firm specializes in this area of law). With that said, you can still get COVID if vaccinated (affects should be much less). Not sure how WF plans on handling this, but likely will follow what other like businesses will be doing. Tricky, new territory for all. Law firms are making a fortune on pandemic guidance.
@1mih. For management that claims they want young talent, they are doing all they can with these policies to NOT get it. Millennials or gen y, z, a or whatever they call themselves EXPECT this from their employer and will avoid this place like the plague if they don’t get it.
I am disabled. I was hired knowing this, I fully disclosed though I swear it cost me many internal positions when applying because of this policy. My manager keeps saying when we return to the office to me continuously. I think there will be a reckoning at some point despite an accommodation agreement for years.
Yeah, well, they expect a lot that isn't going to happen.
Chase is going back may 17.
I’ve been WFH for more than a decade. They get more hours out of me because of it and the trade off is that I can easily flex my schedule for kids’ activities and community volunteering. I work in a function that has a lot of really sensitive phone conversations, 3 of my 13 directs are in my city, I work for a boss across the country and that boss’s boss is in yet another city back across the country. Pushing me back to the office serves no purpose. In other functions, I totally get it. If they take a function-by-function approach, that’s fine with me, I’m just not confident that they will.
Just goes to show how out of touch Charlie is with the future. The younger generations expect to WFH or a hybrid model.
So I work in a giant building. So unless we crowd onto the elevators, say 10 people, it will take us hours to get upstairs in the morning. How is that going to work.
No more from should no more work from India. Makes no sense to meet in one office to collaborate with offices in India and offices all over the US. Teams will continue to be spread all over post co–location. Hopefully, the current CEO/CIO are only here short term.
I was hired as wfh. I bet you a million they use this as a way to force me into an office despite contractually signing me on as wfh. I can't help but notice the lack of clarity around answering this question every time it comes up
Uhhh, you know that thousands of WF employees have been WFH for years now, right? Safe to say it's not about 'fairness'. If it was, WFH wouldn't have existed, especially before COVID, and yet....it did.
Why, because Charlie wants it. He thinks it produces more collaboration etc. Basically the people that want it don't live it. Also, unfortunately, we're all managed to the lowest common denominator. So, if 10% of the employees can't do it, nobody can out of "fairness." More socialist language
Why? I am way more efficient wfh. Never get stuck in traffic on the way in, unless the dog os blocking my desk. Lol.
People are going back Sept 6. However, it's not known for how many or if there will be a hybrid approach.
@upx I agree with you, but the WF WFH strategy has never been one size fits all. Before, during, or after COVID. Some LOBs have been WFH for years, others never will be.
I really think part of the attrition strategy is to keep touting "colocation/relocation/back–to–office" until enough people quit/leave.
Then maybe at a certain point they'll either give up on it OR worse they'll actually justify that everyone needs to be bu–t in seat at the office because the workforce has been reduced so much that there is plenty of office space for social distancing. lol
@bzs. I have a friend from Asia who always asks how (bleeping) hard is it to wear a mask? Over there they do it if they have a cold. But they think about we not me, something that to many do not here.
That happened before covid too. You are trying to solve sickness as a whole under the guise of covid.
Covid is no more a threat now than flu is. Shoukd we shelter in place forever?
Having an entire team come in to work every day and sit around the same table sounds great –– until one of them comes in with COVID and two weeks later all these people performing the same functions are all out sick.
In the same way you wouldn't want all your team taking the same flight, you wouldn't want to risk exposing them all so easily to something that has the potential for taking them all out of commission for days.
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The problem is that way too many people come to work when they are sick because they don’t want to give up a PTO day. People can be gross. Blow their nose then grab a door handle. Sick as a dog and touching the ice machine with their glass. I have friends, even today, who show up for things sick because they “don’t want to miss out.” Nice people, generally, but selfish behavior. They say they didn’t want to back out last minute. Or they say it’s allergies or just a cold, then they’re calling you 3 days later saying they tested positive.
If the population was smart and respectful of others, we would all be sick less often.
Well, they could drop the goofy low wall bull pen rebuild. Put the walls back up!
I really struggle with Wells' one–size–fits–all approach to being in the office. I understand that for some teams, where everyone is in the same city, being physically together has its benefits. However, like many others, my team is dispersed. I'm in CO, my actual manager is in WA, one dotted–line is in NC, another dotted–line is in VA, and the peer with whom I work the most is in TX.
Trying to force my team all back into the office, when we'd still never even see each other, for some alleged synergy is just ridiculous.
How did we ever get back to work when the flu came through every year?
Just go back to work. If you are sick, stay home. Stop being so afraid, .0004 death rates are a non issue
Why are non–customer facing roles even going back to the office?!! If they want to achieve zero carbon emissions by 2050 we can't have thousands of people driving back and forth to an office every day wasting gasoline! WTF?! Tons of these roles can be remote, saves lease costs as well!
Increasingly, there are reports of fully vaccinated people getting COVID–19 anyway. It happens. There may be a need for continual booster shots or maybe a different variety of vaccine. They do not provide full protection. The manufacturers never said they would provide full protection. So we must prepare for that.
With all of the layoffs, some will be back and some won't.
Here the buildings are starting to be redone based how the future is being envisioned.
It depends entirely on your LOB, and even then few decisions are final. Some people never left the office. Some will go back full time. Some will do hybrid WFH / office work. Some will be WFH going forward. Some were WFH prior to COVID. If mutations come along or there's some major public health set back, many things could change. Bottom line, no one, including the execs, knows for sure right now, so nothing is 'final'.
We have a very limited # of people in the office now, maybe 100 in a building that holds 7000. WFC sends an email when someone in the office is diagnosed and we just got another one the other day.
I believe they are not catching it at work, but they are still catching it. I can’t imagine how we are going to manage come September and we have a more normal # of employees in the building, even if it’s only half the #. On the other hand, everyone who wants a vaccine will have gotten one by then. (I don’t judge.)
I think it is reasonable for WFC to try to bring us back in September, but I don’t see how it’s going to work out.
4th quarter we were told unofficially.
There’s no way the bank top leaders would come out and say 2022. Would guess they’ll start phasing back this fall unless things take another turn..
everyone is going back, in fact colleges are making the vaccine mandatory to go back too, but i have not heard of this in the workplace , or not yet
I believe the bank is targeting September 2021. Uncertain of alternating