Thread regarding Allstate Corp. layoffs

The attack on the Allstate "exclusive agent" EA. Complete Mayhem!!

"Exclusive" Agent is not exclusive anymore. Heard from a Senior member of one of the largest Independent Agency (IA's) groups in the nation that Allstate is aggressively appointing new Independent Agencies and giving them both National General and Allstate appointments. (they already have Allstate on their website). A theory is Nat General will be the IA platform to ramp distribution to Independents and will eventually be rebranded to Allstate and made available Nationally to all IA's under the Allstate brand. Not nice versa as being portrayed publicly and to the EA's. The same way Esurance was and then was not and became "Allstate" for direct. Also, as noted in the last earnings announcement, Allstate Independents are not currently transitioning into Nat. General only Encompass which supports the theory they will all eventually be branded Allstate. Making the IA's a major force for Allstate distribution.

The EA's are experiencing a slow elimination/reduction of the EA channel. The EA's biggest competition is not Jake at St. Farm, the Gekko, or Flo from Progressive. It's the Mayhem within their own company driving them out of business.

The same source from earlier stated there was no intention of allowing EA's to go the IA route to compete. Allstate would rather lose EA's and take away EA's books of business and keep those books of business in house to service shifting to a more direct approach similar to Flo's and eliminate the cost of the EA system. They can't do this to IA's because IA's have way too many options to place business. EA's don't, they only have Allstate.

Also it's worth noting, the EA's are being forced to release their office phone numbers into a new phone tree managed and controlled by Allstate. The control of the EA's office phone lines by Allstate will make for a seamless demise of the EA businesses by directing the agency calls right into Allstate without disrupting the customer or the customer even knowing their agent has been discarded.

It's ironic Mayhem is not being used in National Ads anymore. A coincidence or did someone know Mayhem may be recognized within???

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I imagine I’m an IA. Why would I sell a product with piss poor claims handling ? I wouldn’t recommend Allstate to an enemy. As the saying “ You are what you eat” , “ a company is what it’s people are” . It’s people for the most part, hate this company.

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Former Allstater here who worked in AIA. Why does every genius at Allstate who has never worked in the IA or Direct channel spout off such ill-informed garbage about those channels? Allstate is not "leaving the EA space" or "turning everything direct". They are finally investing to compete in all the places customers choose to shop. That's right! Customers make that choice, not Carriers! As of the latest 2019 IIABA Market Share report:

Captive agents (EA's) still write 46.6% (or $153.5 Billion) of Personal Lines premiums
IA channel writes 35.1% or $115.3 Billion of Personal Lines WP
Direct writes 18.3% or $60.5 Billion of Personal Lines WP

"The EA channel has been slowly shrinking for the last 20 years so let's decamp and put all of our eggs into Direct and IA!" said no competent Allstate executive ever because you'd be a total t–d to walk away from the largest distribution channel for Personal Lines (Not that Allstate doesn't have plenty of t–ds in leadership).

To the commenter on IA quality of business- The AIA channel ran a historical minimum 5pt better loss ratio than the EA's selling the exact same products... 5pt minimum and the channel has been alive since 1974. Go grab a Protection Finance lackey and see for yourself. Unlike EA's where every new agent on some version of an accelerated bonus program cannibalized other EA books, and/or shoved every piece of non-standard risk through the system possible via shady/omitted UW tactics, the IA channel actually has Carriers that specialize in non-standard risks so you can perform real UW due diligence and place the business where it will make money (a la Nat Gen).

Don't forget about Expense Ratio! EA's are and will be a dominant force in PL distribution for a long time. It is just a dang expensive model to build up and keep growing when pricing is more transparent than ever and expected profit margins are lower than ever. As recently as 2019 Allstate was spending ~$1.3M per net growth of 1 EA. Unsustainable. Appointing an IA cost them less than $2k. Say what you want about the disadvantages of an IA, but making your investment back is pretty easy on $2k, even when with a c-appy producer. And when you don't have to pay for their leads, subsidize their marketing, help them find/hire staff, and send the best ones on 3 egregious trips each year with the added expense of flying out every SVP in the company first class, the expense side looks pretty attractive too. Even with those higher commissions.

And if you think IA's are overpaid on commissions, try to get yourself a copy of the Big I (IIABA) Best Practices study that details what areas the best performing IA's in the country spend money on in their operations. I'd stack that up against best Allstate EA proformas I saw any day. They actually pay their entire staff a living wage (real salaries and bonus), give them benefits, and have to pay for all the things EA's happily take for granted like third party software, IT infrastructure, and advertising just to name a few.

It's tiring watching an EA rent a storefront, hire 2 hourly people, open a laptop, and be able to write business with a top carrier; and then complain about IA commissions as they sit there with no appreciation about what it takes to open an actual insurance agency where Allstate doesn't hand you everything on a platter for having at least a $100k their 401k that some FSL needing to hit their recruiting goal counted as "liquid capital". Sheesh.

TW is not a total dummy when it comes to running a Fortune 100 company that shells out the kind of dividends the Institutional investors who own the majority of Allstate want to see (76.5% ownership to be exact). And those Institutional investors (e.g. Vanguard, BlackRock, Charles Schwab, insert any major name wealth management firm) are the ones running your 401k's and virtually every other retirement vehicle available, so assuming you have a retirement account, you have likely benefited from all those Blue Chip dividend companies (Allstate included) steadily streaming money back into the Mutual Funds that comprise your nest egg. He's right to make a shift toward making Allstate available wherever customers want to buy it and to have different market price points associated with level of service the customer needs. Unfortunately he chose a shortcut path laden with job outsourcing to poorer countries instead of retooling the existing workforce. I never thought you could make a domestic insurance company who only sells products in our borders feel so un-American, but somehow TW and GS figured it out.

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Post ID: @1tch+19wPCvjb

I worked in marketing for the past 15 years. Mayham for the most part has been paused due to the pandemic... bad optics.

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Post ID: @1llg+19wPCvjb

They will never drop rates, just look at Encompass. They were profitable and still take massive rate each year. All this acquisition did was bring 3 mediocre IA brands together.

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Post ID: @1hrx+19wPCvjb

Open you eyes!

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Post ID: @1bgk+19wPCvjb

The best part about this is that Allstate can have all the independent agents they want. The bottom line is Allstate's rates are extremely higher than the competition. They will learn very quickly that just because an agent is independent, it doesnt mean they can (or have the desire to) sell your product if it isn't competitive in the marketplace. This will lead to a significant decline in new business and will force Allstate to drastically cut rates if they want to remain competitive.

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Post ID: @heh+19wPCvjb

Allstate had appointed IA’s for years where they didn’t think an EA could stand on their own. Allstate IA is less than Encompass and NatGen in premium and most IA’s hate Allstate with many being former EA’s. That is why they will use the NatGen name and not Allstate. They have gotten the feedback

They are offering additional appointments to agents but in reality most IA’s are not going to like a system built for EA’s. It’s too clunky and not ease of use compared to Travelers and Progressive etc.

Unfortunately Allstate continues to treat IA’s like EA’s and both suffer. They bought and shuttered Esurance while going that route on their own.

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Post ID: @dae+19wPCvjb

Allstate brought on a bunch of corrupted individuals to open agencies. Most of the policies written are worse than the direct channel business. But yet they are getting enhanced commissions at 50% of premium. That is one giant waste of company expense for rentention business in the 60’s. But if this is how allstate wants growth they can have the worst performing garbage to further sink this failing ship.

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Post ID: @fmg+19wPCvjb

OP is spot on. EA's have gotten too expensive for the company. Also they have gotten too dependent on Allstate and have moved away from running their own shops. EA bound business is not staying on the books as long as Direct, it is not written as ethically abd correctly, and there are more DOI complaints and issues with agency business thst Direct business. All this costs Allstate more. EA's are being forced out with nearly impossible sales metrics and processes allowing Allstate to take their books by force and moving to direct. Those EA's that conform to and service direct business will remain. IA's will be Allstate's main focus for outside direct distribution as they are lower cost.

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