I know that there will be a substantial mental cost. But , If an hourly employee is making $100K a year with annual salary plus overtime, is it worth it financially, to make the jump to band 03 supervisor? Actual number ranges would be helpful.
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I made the jump from WFS to Supervisor few years ago and was laid off last year. It really all depends what your wanting to do long term. Being a tech is def more job security but with the way Honeywell is going now who knows. The main reason I took the position in the first place was because I could tell Honeywell wasn’t going in a positive direction so I wanted to have it on my resume when looking for a new job.
I went from hourly roughly 85k year to salary @100k+incentives. It was only worth the title change which enabled me to move on after 20+ Years of service.
That the ‘promotion’ if you’re looking to get out.
At that pay level no... I wouldn't.
Here is the reality. You WILL have to lay people off at some point. As much as people rail against management, I've seen some really sad and horrible reactions of supervisors who had to. It's hard, very hard and the worst part of the job. Few take it lightly and if you have to do it, you may know for months someone is on the block and there is nothing you can do for them because you signed an NDA. Seen managers hiding in the bathroom trying not to cry. It's worse for the person who is laid off, but it can be soul crushing for the manager too.
Unless it is a Band 4 position, it wouldn't be worth it. You can always lateral away from a position when a Band 4 and keep the Banding which is hard to attain. Then you get the increased range without the harder managerial duties.
@1ltz: Good reply and it sounds like you have a good understanding of what you are considering getting into. Best of luck to you.
You will get less money as supervisor in Band 3. You have no bonus and no OT. You are expecting to do more and a lot more. If you are not a band 4 and above management, DO NOT do it.
I appreciate some of the responses, but I really didn't need the old, crusty, Honeywell is horrible, just go somewhere else opinions. I already knew the mental strain that would go with the position, that's why it was the FIRST SENTENCE of the post. Anyway, If I were to even be considered, then actually hired into management, I realistically know that my common sense approach to all things would never last, and I would be ran out of town. I just wondered how tempting the darkside was.
Why waste the effort on a losing cause? If you have the skills, go elsewhere.
I've always been salaried so can't talk to the difference of hourly to salaried, but my view is you're either a band 4 or a poor soul who has to fulfill the unreasonable promises made by a band 4.
If you're a supervisor/manager/etc overseeing the work of others you should be a band 4. Honeywell is working to shortchange you if you aren't.
You were likely asked this because company thought they could save some $. I can't think of a worse job than a supervisor. You will have to solve every problem, responsible for everything that happens.
I tried it. Hated it. Lost 18 months of life. Developed an alcohol problem. Wasn't sober outside of work the entire 18 months. Went back to band 2 and never looked back. I wouldn't take another salary job at Hon for $150k. Not worth being miserable. I now have zero stress and don't have a care in the world related to Honeywell. I learned a valuable lesson. Your experience may differ. Good luck!
Good heavens NO.
Well, caveat.. if you are young and think that someday you could be a director or a Vice President ... then yes it could be... are you a player?
Remember where the previous CEO started.
Does the job come with a written assurance of paying for your next degree and providing work time to do this degree? .. then yes it is worth it.
What ? Don’t believe you can get four hours a week to do bachelors or masters level work... one word for you GENESIS. Aerospace offered this deal to high potential fresh outs three years ago. Why not give a high potential new manager the same deal? HR says no? ... now you know what they think about you... somewhere below the potential of a fresh out.
Truth is Honeywell is having a really hard time getting anyone to apply for management jobs. They are crushing jobs and will cost you friends and possibly your marriage.
Former Director here. I could not sleep with c-ap that was forced down on me as a supervisor, much of what I felt was unethical. I finally took matters into my own hand and made a change to a non supervisor job. For me, being a super at this company has no upside.
NO, it is not worth it. You will end up working more hours for less money.
There used to be some perks to being exempt (salaried) but those were taken away over the last 5 or so years.
Only you can make the decision for what you think is best for you and your family(that was always a priority for me). The time spent with your family and maintaining your sanity is very important, but very much so if you have younger children(not as much after they grow up and go their own way). You did lose me though at Band 3 Supervisor. I probably would not do that, but again your decision. In my case (about 25 years ago) I was salary-non exempt for a while and living the best of both worlds(salary and overtime). Decided to move to a salaried non-management position. Definitely did the math, but felt this was something I needed to do. Fortunately for me at the time had a great manager and the current position and the new position were both under him. He offered me 10% increase for the salaried position, but liked my current work and offered me 20% to stay where I was. (those were the days-LOL) The two things that sold me on moving to salaried was #1-wanted to get off my feet more(told myself did not want to do what I was currently doing when I was 50 years old. #2-the salaried position raised my salary ceiling(future earning potential) considerably which mattered to me since I had a long ways to go to retirement. Anyway, been salaried for last 25 years and don't regret it. By the way, couple years after that the over-time in our area dried up anyways. Gotta do what is best for you and yours and live you life with no regrets!!
Once on salary you will be expected to be on call 24/7. You will likely donate 2-3 extra hours a day "to the cause" without compensation. The crunch for numbers at the end of the month means you cannot plan time off at that time. You will spend a huge percentage of your time defending your team's numbers, and the numeric targets will be raised every year, sometimes at the drop of a hat, even as your team shrinks in size. Depending on your personality, it may be be hard for you to put sufficient pressure on team members whom you know are already working as hard as they can.
If they are actually pushing you to take this position, it would not be in your best interest to turn it down. If you are considering going for an opening, good luck making the decision that's right for you at this time.
OP: It's not really a promotion to go from a top level skilled technician/mechanic/machinist to a salaried band 3 supervisor. I have seven supervisors in Aero that average about $75K/yr and their overtime is not paid. Last year I had eleven supervisors and four were RIF'd. My senior mechanics are all still employed with none RIF'd. You take it from there.
Nope not worth the stress being a day super on salary they will ask way too from you and then sure you will not last long either they will say bye bye to you or you will just leave. Above you don't care about you or all of us anymore they want see the $$$$ in thier pockets. I'm a– not salary and it sure can be a pain on what they want done.