More and more big tech coming out with updated WFM policies .... turns out it works. It accommodates people and families AND big bad H gets what they so dearly covet. FREE OT. Yet, H can’t help itself and must resort to its standard draconian policy that all employees are bad and can’t possibly be trusted. Can I get an amen if you think WFH is the new normal...
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Regarding track and trace employee monitoring technology. I can assure you of this they are watching every move you make and click of your mouse when working from home. If you think turn off your mic and tape over the camera is the answer, it’s very apparent you are very naive and have no idea of all the various computer monitoring and track and trace technology used by Honeywell or government agencies. Honeywell has developed and has contracts with private investigators and contractors that use lots of very suffocated technology to monitor, gather data, track and trace and it’s all totally legal. Google and Microsoft along with thousand of other companies are more than willing to sell everything you do on your computer to any and everyone because you have given then approval if you own a computer and there software is on your computer.
Another HR troll posting the same propaganda on multiple threads. Productivity has never been better and overhead has never been lower. I did find out that HW is turning on cameras and microphones on laptops without workers knowledge or permission, even after working hours. That's easy to beat. Just put a Post-It over the camera and disable the microphone. Put the laptop in a drawer when you're done working for the day. If HW is back spiking spyware onto my home network and I find out about it, there will be hell to pay in the legal realm.
Business computer monitoring along with actual track and trace technology has documented that WFH does not work and cost businesses huge $$$ in lose of productivity.
Tons of former Honeywell have made it to Tech or (tech-like) New Space.
Lose the entitled Boomer attitude, brush up on technical skills, and you might too.
Three things prevent HON employees from getting a job at tech companies. First is location, hardly anyone on the west coast, you can't sit in Phoenix or Houston and network in the Bay area. Second is complete ignorance in the tech sector about HON slave labor culture and 80+ work weeks some folks put in. No manager in Facebook knows that HON's culture is rude and ruthless, just like Facebook. Three, your skills of course. Even if you have all the skills and experience, if the 22 yr dude hiring you thinks HON makes only table fans he is not going to hire.
AMEN.
Having worked for many years at a software company that was created based on the Silicon Valley model of the '90s and was then acquired by an industrial technology company, I can assure you that HON doesn't come close to being a "software industrial".
To accomplish that, they would have to invest in technology and their PEOPLE instead of their stockholders. They would have to be fleet footed in approving and funding projects and pivoting if advisable, even if the new direction will cost more money. There would have to be a frequently updated functional org chart in addition to the simple reporting list so that people can quickly find who is responsible for particular functions now that so-and-so is gone.
Top leadership doesn't see things this way, so they will continue to acquire small tech companies (and snuff the life out of them) to be able to crow about HON's status as a software industrial.
Lmao at anyone thinking honeywell is on the same level as big tech, and that big tech can’t afford some manager at HW. Keep posting these, I love the free entertainment
You're lying to yourself if you think "cheap and young" workers are preventing you from getting a tech job. Tech college hires start at the same salary range as Sr Eng at Honeywell. Add bonuses plus stock and most college hires make more than Sr Managers. Add way better benefits, campuses, and other perks... Even the cheapest tech worker costs more than you.
Accept and milk what you have or move on.
To answer your question... Tried multiple times to get into a big tech company. I tried Microsoft, Lockheed, Amazon, Google... No Luck. Even tried Jabil, I was told I was too expensive. I am in a management band, however I am an individual contributor. Plus, I am in a supporting function, so some of my current skills are hard to transfer to another company if there is no need for them. Some of my ''Older" acquired skills are now a bit behind times even though its been about 6 years, since I have transfered into a supporting function. Most companies want someone fresh, young, and very cheap. Since I support single income household, I can not take a significant pay cut. 10% to 15% maybe, but not 20% to 30%.
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___ really feels like an engineering company. The priority is quality. There are many bright engineers to help you out if you get stuck. The work life balance is great with no one asking you to put in extra time.
Oh wait ... that was a garmin review on glass door from a few months ago.
Don’t give me “honeywell isn’t one of those high tech companies”. BS, we are asking for the same management courtesy that is visible in direct competition.
Yes we could jump ship. I prefer to listen to real complaints and work to fix them inside. This web site is a great place to hear real feelings.
@2pjx.
A couple of points.
HON is not like the high tech companies you so yearn to work for. If you are in Aero expect more changes especially if you are at an R&O site.
Second point - if you can't tolerate your job why are you still here? Can't get in with the other tech companies?
So who really is the concubine?
To the douches that put down people for wanting parity with the peers in tech, post your sewage somewhere else! You can continue to be concubines for Mad Dog and Dairya$$. But, don't expect the rest of us to do it!!
Always keep things in perspective. Big tech offers benefits and salaries well above Honeywell. You get perks, but there are also drawbacks like working 80+ hour weeks for months on end. WFH can also mean working a lot more, blurring the distinction between downtime and work time.
Honeywell is pretty much 40hr/wk, regardless of what the management asks for more. Milk it for as much as you can. At the same time, expect the company to milk you as much as they can. Leave when it becomes unacceptable, or wait to be RIF'd. That's it.
I can’t imagine how bad your new job is if you keep coming back here. Consider professional counsel.
@1qif.
Yes, I am ready for anything that comes my way.
I don't like everything that is happening but WFH is the least of it. It is a job.
But every since Allied took over it was apparent what was going to happen. Just never knew how long it would take. Pandemic made it worse of course. Actually would like to start going back in.
Paid off bills. Paid off house. Bought bucket list car.
Yep, I'm ready.
Why people keep obsessing with wfh? As long as having a job to do and make a living then I would like to be on site like any productive normal working people
The reason big tech can get away with it is because they hire the best of the best... it is not too hard to put 2 and 2 together here, folks.
Wow! After reading all this I have decided to work no more than 20 minutes a day. I’ll show them
Darius confirmed in an interview recently that HON employees will return to the office, not going to WFH. At some point Eng leaders were talking about requesting Aero employees be allowed to WFH at some point.
what make you think i work at this sh*T hole company... I moved on three years ago and so did a good number of my friends. who all work elsewhere.
like I said I visit every now and then to Marvel at the exceptional people that refuse to change and have stayed behind clinging on for what reason I don't know?
you can slam and hate me all you want it makes no difference to me. You on the other hand seem to not be willing to face the reality of your situation.
Honeywell has show their cards, your will be shown the door, If not this week it will be next week, or maybe year from now, but be assured you will be shown the door.
Are you ready for the change that will be forced upon you?
@1vfe -You are a jerk.
People need a place to complain when they are stuck.
It helps them sort through and find courage to move.
I can only hope they dont end up working next to a jaded id–t like you.
You will never escape honeywell.
Truth – you are what makes honeywell so horrible.. a shell with no better idea than to blame someone making conversation.
I come to this forum from time to time and I all I can say I marvel at all of the exceptional people making comments out here.
The company make a benefit cut in Health care no biggie s— it up and come here to lament the loss of soul or caring from the company and if they take one more thing away that is the straw the broke the camels back.
Cut in educational promotional or opportunities, 401K match. No biggie s— it up and come out here to comment about your eroding skills and how the company is screwing itself, and if they cut one more thing that is the straw that broke the camels back.
Claw back a pay raise & MIP. Well I understand it tough times (Yeah, over ten years!), come out here and complain if they take one more thing away that's it I'm out!
Put me on furlough, same as above but this is really the last straw, drawing a line in the sand, I'm out with the next take away.
Now I can't work from home, (was not allowed before) but now this in unacceptable and shows lack of enlightenment (really took you that long to figure out) and is really grating on my nerves one more thing and Im out for sure!
Like I said truly exceptional people, won't even take the basic steps toward helping yourself! find another company that would give you want you want, need, and deserve. They are out there pandemic or not they are Hiring, I know this from recent personal experience with people that are 50+ years of age!
Nope just easier to complain and wait for the next benefit cut and to craft pithy comments on this forum.
Yes, Truly exceptional, BOHICA!
If remote work is not allowed then turn off desktop remote to our labs and factories.
With qualified engineers onsite and not working from time zones unknown or islands with third world power utilities everything will certainly work better and go faster.
IT .. Throw the switch and see what happens.
Truth: In aero there is no such thing but REMOTE work.
Hire on here and your chances of actually seeing the thing you build are less than 50:50.
Big Tech vs. Honeywell
WFH is productivity tool (data) vs. WFH is bad for collaboration (feels)
Remote work increases talent pool (data) vs. Remote work is for lazy people (feels)
Dividends harm growth and competitiveness (data) vs. Our investors will leave us (feels/fear)
Performance based pay increases performance (data) vs. We have cool toys so we don’t have to pay you as much (feels)
Many other examples where Honeywell is rolling down Jack Welch’s path to the corporate graveyard instead of pumping the brakes.
I'll give you an Amen.
Big tech companies are allowing WFH but HON is not a big tech company even if it wants to be. The problem is the current HON CEO does not allow WFH and likely never will. He has ten years and about 4 months to go before mandatory retirement at 65 years old.
There are two choices.
a) Stay at this company and wait for it to change to allow WFH. I doubt it ever will.
b) Move on to something else with a company that allows you to WFH if that's what's important to you.
Let me see if i understand the general sentiment. Working from home makes me Feel more productive. working from home makes me Feel more satisfied in my work. Working from home makes me Feel.... hold on what time is it, oh, more rested. Working from home makes me Feel.... unemployed...what? but I Feel more productive and creative! and I Feel more valuable to the company? LOL, losers! Good luck feeling when you out on the streets!
My theory is leaders that oppose wfh are people who don't have the work ethic and discipline to wfh, so they can't fathom that other people wouldn't slack off like they would. The policy should reflect that some positions can be more effective remotely and some can't.
Being a person stuck next to a "collaberation" area, i can tell you that i am more effective now that there is no one there to collaberate in it or i am anywhere else when there are.
If you are the type that sees your employees as a resource to be exploited as much as possible and minimized to the point just above failure then why would you be the type to think they could be allowed out from under your thumb?
Amen sista
Amen! 🙏🏻
Amen brother