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why xerox chose north carolina by bizjournal

By Lauren Ohnesorge
Senior Staff Writer, Triangle Business Journal
Sep 26, 2019, 2:52pm EDT
Updated Sep 26, 2019, 4:31pm EDT

With a competing incentives package from New York State to the tune of $120 million, it looked – at least on paper – as though North Carolina would be a tough sell for technology giant Xerox, looking to build a 600-job “Center of Excellence” somewhere in the United States.

But a review of communications, applications and other documents provided by the North Carolina Department of Commerce, at the behest of a public records request, show Triangle talent won out – over multiple states and multiple aggressive incentives offers.

The opportunity itself kept changing, records show.

At one point the project was exploring the possibility of creating a whopping 800 jobs. By June, the number had sunk to 300, only to later double as Xerox continued to crunch its numbers – and explore its options.

State officials’ communication with Xerox (NYSE: XRX), known internally as “Project Wildflower,” began in earnest in March. But documents over the next few weeks continued to show “moving targets” and changing timelines when it came to what, exactly, they wanted their center to look like.

“Xerox still ironing out some issues with a potential landlord and, with our primary contact headed to India for a week, is now looking to go closed July 9,” wrote North Carolina Commerce Department’s Mark Poole on June 14, two months before the project would be officially announced as a win for the state.

Records show an exhaustive site selection search – even before the Commerce team was looped into the effort.

Xerox had tapped consultant Jones Lang LaSalle to provide an “assessment” of 11 locations, including Cary. The company would also examine Dallas, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Austin, Pittsburgh and Connecticut during its search, records show. And it would also look at the feasibility of just keeping the operation in Webster, New York, a project summary from July 19 notes.

Xerox, according to what it told North Carolina officials, could get bigger incentives packages to locate elsewhere – and not just in New York.

How much Xerox estimated it could get if it located to one of the five other finalist cities:

• Rochester, New York: Up to $130 million in total incentives
• Norwalk, Connecticut: Up to $12 million in total incentives
• Austin: Up to $30 million in total incentives
• Dallas: Up to $30 million in total incentives
• Minneapolis: Up to $30 million in total incentives
• North Carolina wound up offering decidedly less, a $12 million incentives package. But Xerox told state officials it wasn’t just about incentives. The company wanted to save $30 million in annual operating costs.

As the weeks went by, Xerox executives would start to narrow their choices, meeting with representatives of both New York and Connecticut “regarding incentives to remain in New York, as well as expanding operations in Connecticut.”

“Each state has job incentives and Xerox is currently going through the process to determine the benefits they would achieve by creating jobs in the various states,” the company noted in July. “The company anticipates making a final decision shortly after being informed of North Carolina’s offer.”

Talent appeared to be the driver behind its growing interest in North Carolina. Xerox told the state it wanted to implement a “formal College Recruitment program,” focusing on recruiting new graduates. And it planned to establish a partnership with Wake County to create “formal training programs.”

On Aug. 13, North Carolina inked the win. Xerox announced it would be building a new center in Cary, creating 600 jobs. The $18.4 million investment in Wake County was approved for a Job Development Investment Grant worth up to $12.3 million over 12 years.

And the project's average wages – at $112,818 – are nearly double that of Wake County's at $58,138, according to Commerce records. But on Aug. 9, the company asked the state to – if at all possible – leave the wage figure out of its press release announcing the project, fearing it could “cause some issues for us internally.”

Xerox – while listed as new-to-the-state in documents – isn’t actually a new player. The company used to have a sizeable presence in Cary, even after inking multiple layoff rounds. The company left, however, when it split off Conduent. The units in Cary were part of what become Conduent, which announced its own 200-job tech hub in Morrisville in 2018.

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With the long expected and justified dismissal of the CISO finally behind us (there were more than a few celebrations I am told), we can now face the reality: 90% of the security staff have departed due solely to her. Those remaining (at least one moving to N.C.) are managers with limited to no security expertise. As a result, I don’t know who can comment on mainframe vulnerabilities vs more modern tech.

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Post ID: @2aqr+11fBhcsl

What I’ve heard is that mainframe applications are so ancient that if they have a decent front in security no one wants to attack them. Too much work and easy pickings elsewhere. But this is just hearsay!Would love some responses from Security experts.

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Post ID: @1lct+11fBhcsl

Until development occurs in house, legacy systems will cost enormous amounts of money to modernize. We still have MAINFRAME apps running (not that there is anything wrong with that) as a sign. Steve B thinks outsourcing saves money but actually costs much more when the objective is app reduction. Industry consultants agree. No captain running this vessel.

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Post ID: @1ksa+11fBhcsl

The PC’s may be on Microsoft but there are still a lot of really old systems supporting the business. They’re not going to learn the programming skills to support the legacy systems in college.

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Post ID: @1hek+11fBhcsl

Sag- those garbage techs are the ones the garbage outsourced suppliers use, the ones that Xerox mgrs don’t know if are good or bad, ancient or moldy, and that suppliers will charge to move off of. Suppliers are in the drivers seat. Reason we have apps numbering in the 4 digits. Been this way for decades.

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Post ID: @1tma+11fBhcsl

@juv Are you telling me that only the old garbage "tech" jobs will remain in my county?

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Post ID: @1qql+11fBhcsl

Saggy: I hope you aren’t on that Java bandwagon. Cary won’t be doing anything related to devices—that’s not in XDX scope. Part of why the whole XDX moniker is id–tic. I wouldn’t call Office 365 and the MS ecosystem as antiquated. The technology will not turn off newbies, but finding newbies who have the experience to manage it will be a challenge. Especially at the pay level XRX intends- Wake County wages, which is why they selected Cary.

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Post ID: @juv+11fBhcsl

Lol, North Carolina has no idea what they are getting themselves into. Xerox restructuring itself so it can split off the nerve centers or outsource the jobs as it breaks up the company or sells it outright. Hope the agreement between NC and Xerox includes language that requires the jobs to stay there for a certain amount of time, or be at a minimum compensation level, or retain the jobs there if Xerox restructures, divests of businesses, outsources those positions or is acquired. So many ways those jobs could disappear. Not to mention that many of the jobs today are filled by experienced professionals and they're trying to fill them with less qualified recent college grads to cut payroll. Eventually everyone will get what they deserve...

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Post ID: @xgd+11fBhcsl

I wonder how they will find enough staff willing to work with antiquated technologies down there.

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