E&PS (engines 34th street site) Layoffs and Reorg set for Sept. 24th. Not a rumor
5 replies (most recent on top)
Did this happen? I haven’t heard anything.
mmt...
I’ve heard 1st hand on more than one occasion where the Boeing PMs and equipment managers had serious reservations on having HTS develop products. And that was before the Max debacle.
I have to wonder how Boeing will react to honeywell saying that all our products are created from the same talent pool that caused the 737 debacle. Oh wait they don’t buy our products anymore
@mpw, Good for you! as far as how this affect China or India? I suspect there will be no change in title or flatting of the org.
They have already been told they are better that the US engineering counterparts. I base that on a direct statement from one of my dotted line Tech supervisor from India.
He gave me a debrief of a town hall meeting ( about two years ago no) where the U.S. VPs(Ellis and others) and program Leaders directly stated the US staff no longer had the technical ability to do the work, that is why they are investing heavily in India staffing.
Now of course that could just be a pep-rally cheering point for the meeting, but I actually think they bought into the talking point, and if Im not mistaken India is a standalone company (owned by Honeywell) so I imagine they can make org level decisions independently from the US... might be wrong on that point. but it will be interesting to see how other regions are impacted or not?
Yup. They have been working this for months. Also have seen some projects told to stop charging for a while to reduce costs.
Most mgrs I know are celebrating a chance to escape back to individual contributor work.
The real slap in the face will be the demotions as they “align” the career levels. Goodbye staff engineers. Last time this happened it was a HUGE demotivating event. We lost vacation weeks at the same time.. oh wait that is happening too.
So the plan is to flatten the .org and actually create MORE indirect managers. Then we demote the experienced engineers driving more out the door. Finally we need to get more revcog hours to cover all those indirects so cut vacation, stop internal funded jobs, and the mandatory 46 hours becomes what? That scenario seems consistent with what I am being told to do.
I wonder how this will go over in China and India where titles are culturally meaningful. If they don’t do this across the board the result is surely to be APAC being on average senior to the US engineers that trained them. Already seeing this to some extent with the plethora of senior directors in Asia.
I am out of here as soon as I finish my graduate degree for which, thank heavens, I was advised by a wise mentor to NOT seek honeywell reimbursement. No retention requirement, no last minute denials. Counting down.