Have been a SAS employee in marketing for a little over 6 years. I have noticed since the pandemic the meetings are way out of control but have gotten even worse since this GCC stuff started. Stop having so many meetings and SAS won't need to lay... — read more 

Layoffs are hot right now -- wonder how many in the division were impacted.

Lots of little signs. Have you seen any?

If you want to participate in one*, get out and vote. (* technically a republic but you get the point)

Simply entanglements for sale? https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2024/09/30/sas-cary-campus-office-space-buildings-sublease.html

Do they still have jobs or is it one of those '30 days to find a new position' deals?

https://stocks.apple.com/AKn-hhU0UT6CDATtlLQ2jyA

Please comment on how realistic this is given that SAS is supposedly in overall decline: https://blogs.sas.com/content/sasdummy/2024/09/13/sas-programming-language/

Look at postings here on thelayoff.com for other, older tech companies such as Dell, HP, Microsoft, and Intel. They look very similar to everything being said here. It’s all due to the en5h1tification of everything due to greed. Consequences come... — read more 

What do you think? Is there is a better chance of SAS offering another VRBP or layoffs more likely? Or maybe they'll just tread water for a while until us old guys get tired of waiting for a package and finally retire? I'm hoping for a VRBP but... — read more 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/sas-sunsetting-mainframe-solutions-embracing-future-viya-skamser-bopdc/?trackingId=k3oHX%2F7DRTW6Bwprr6YemA%3D%3D SAS's latest move to sunset mainframe solutions in favor of SAS Viya on Azure marks a major transition... — read more 

So when are the layoffs coming, and who will be affected? Surely they are coming.

How did Viya end up taking so long to produce and the result was not embraced by the market? Were there no checks and balances along the development path? So many questions. Was Viya produced in a vacuum with no market research? Was market... — read more 

For arguments sake, let's say SAS was valued at $17B in 2021 based on the potential acquisition by Broadcom. If $17B was the baseline in mid-2021, what do you think the current value on the market would be today? Think the value is down 10%, 20%... — read more 

This from Business Insider today...."VMware customers report massive price increases since Broadcom takeover: 'Feels quite a bit like being held for ransom'" That's what happens when a legacy software vendor gets acquired. They squeeze the life out... — read more 

Here we go…

We spend all of our time doing Agile busywork. Product Management sends 100 people to a two day bootcamp on Innovation to blame us for not having any ideas for sellable products. SF programmers are going to be laid off because PM is too busy... — read more 

Countless articles like https://www.hypermatic.com/articles/agile-is-for-losers opine that Agile, implemented in a distorted way, is counter-productive. That’s been my experience. It has greatly slowed progress (5X-10X) all so that management can... — read more 

I have read so much on this forum about who did or did not lead to the decline of SAS. No doubt here were many factors. Let me throw out another one. JMP played a huge role in the decline of SAS. I always figured that the CEO let his EVP start JMP... — read more 

Imagine if SAS had been sold just before Viya had been green lighted...

Is Viya the single biggest reason for SAS's downfall? Agree by casting a thumbs up vote. Disagree by casting a thumbs down vote. Please...no pontification. Just let the numbers tell the story.

Any ETA on this? Thx

I have never seen such a reorg disaster. The number of teams, the number of people attending meetings, the number of people involved in strategies and decision-making have all quadrupled since Q4 '23. Yet somehow with all these new teams, new job... — read more 

More and more SAS campus buildings are becoming vacant. Advantages? Utilities would be lower because thermostats could be set higher in the summer and lower in the winter. On the other hand, once the building is vacated, it went from supporting... — read more 

No answer here, only WAG. Anyone?

I only see failures in adapting to new circumstances, even sometimes in recognizing there are new circumstances.

Intuit recently laid a bunch of people off, referring to them as "under performers". Linked-In has several posts lambasting Intuit for negatively labeling employees while trying to maintain the "we are an infallible organization" facade. I wonder... — read more 

The big guy always saw through the hype and still does but his baby must be kicked from the nest and fly on its own. It’s unfortunate that the rest of the world is bonkers though. More layoffs will come, without doubt, once the nest is empty. It’s... — read more 

Fear, uncertainty, and doubt about the future of the company is having visible and palpable effects on morale. It might not be obvious to upper management but the lack of information regarding the IPO/sale is a huge drain on energy and motivation. ... — read more 

Former SAS employee Thomas Dinsmore is always entertaining. His first post on his new Substack is "What's Next for SAS". https://thomaswdinsmore.substack.com/p/whats-next-for-sas

Since a core IPO valuation element for SAS presumably includes how effectively SAS can migrate on-premise customers to cloud subscriptions, it will be interesting to see how much progress is made in the coming months with the Viya strategy. ... — read more 

despite the deletion of discussion threads and comments.

1976-1986, 1986-1996, 1996-2006, 2006-2016 or 2016-2026? Me favorite is 1986-1996. Not around for all of it but just incredible being there when building R opened

"Whether SAS Institute offers another Voluntary Retirement Benefit Package (VRBP) depends on various factors such as their internal financial situation, strategic goals, and workforce planning. Companies may offer VRBP for different reasons including... — read more 

Perhaps SAS's downfall is a blessing in disguise. At least nobody at SAS (unless they are completely deluded or living under a rock) will be terribly surprised when they get made redundant. What about the other hundreds of millions of people... — read more 

@1wza+1sXiXn29 nailed it! late to the AI LLM and cloud party: "Nobody wants SAS's products anymore. So even if SAS does a great job at "infusing" AI into it's products, they will still be cr-ppy products, built on a flawed architecture and an... — read more 

Serious question. SAS has long touted itself as being a leader in AI. Should SAS have been the ones to bring ChatGPT capabilities to the market, or are we just not built that way or have the innovative capabilities to think bigger than we are.

Wrapped up my final interview for another internal position this week, looking pretty promising. Will my current manager have any say on when I start at the next position? Can they offer me any incentive to stay? Could they veto it?

With the update, my confidence is renewed that the company is on the right path.

SAS can keep doing small layoffs, 1-2% of employees each year, to ensure profitability. A $3B annual revenue stream — even though declining — can support this policy for many years. This is the most generous policy for current employees. Other... — read more