Thread regarding State Farm Insurance layoffs

Sweeping office closures, more long term talent is being kicked to the curb...

State Farm has been a darn good company to work for. If you worked in the insurance industry it was well known that State Farm had the most dedicated and properly trained employees, the tenure was unmatched in the industry and this was leveraged into decades of outstanding company performance. The philosophy was the strength came from the people who worked there, it was the force that separated us from the competition.

Every company has to manage expenses, nothing new there. The combined ratio for most of my 30+ year career was under 100. The company business model has never been to target the price conscious customers, but focused on a better customer experience. We utilize agents to convey that promise to our customers.

State Farm started to leave the business model that got them to the $96 billion financial powerhouse they are today. Slowly the key pieces that defined the State Farm customer experience began to disappear. This was largely due to senior leaders bringing in outside consulting companies which focused on handling claims in a "factory" like environment. This is fine for a certain percentage of minor claims however they applied the same processes and philosophies to the more complex claims as well. Gone was independent thinking in favor of consistency, even when it did not make sense.

When the company migrated to the "new model", which was also timed upon president Rust's departure, things completely went off the rails. They introduced the "EOM" philosophy and process became the driving forces for handling claims. They completely dismissed the technical and analytical side of the business, emphasis was now on daily team huddles covering mostly pointless metrics. Promotions were no longer based on performance, claim skills and knowledge but how much you supported the EOM process. The claim handling talent was getting watered down at an alarming rate. Senior leaders became hell bent on designing a system to measure performance in what is largely a cerebral job. Claim skills degraded as performance conversations revolved around how long someone took on a call and how many tasks they handled in a day, not whether they did them right. What was once a career job where your learned skills and performance allowed you to rise through the ranks was largely replaced with untrained, low paid call center workers. As the more skilled workers retired or left they were not replaced, instead the remaining workers were asked to do more. Staffing models were incorrectly calculated and as a result workloads skyrocketed. Overtime became a business plan, at nearly every meeting the mantra was do more with less. Workers could not keep up with the pace, so they found short cuts which resulted in mistakes and overpaid claims. Poor customer service became commonplace, but as long as you "clicked off" a lot of tasks and answered a certain number of calls you were good!

It's no secret, the quality of work is the worst ever, mistakes are costing the company millions, workers are disgruntled and the best ones are leaving to our competitors. Mid-level managers knew there were problems but if they voiced concern or criticized the new model their careers were in jeopardy. Just look at how many high level managers have bailed out of the company long before their retirement date, it's very telling.

As for results, the combined ratio has skyrocketed. Loss of policies are the highest in company history, indemnity and expense is out of control. Some say if this was a stock company the CEO would have been sent packing long ago.

Now there are sweeping office closures, more long term talent is being kicked to the curb in favor of less expensive unskilled workers. Turnover in the hubs is staggering as they have created a job very few motivated and educated people will seek out. The company seems lost, we hear of turmoil in the boardroom, hundreds of leaders are exiting, the talent pool is draining.....something has to change quickly or State Farm will be a case study for upper level university management courses on where did such a powerful company go wrong.

Wake up State Farm.

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Post ID: @OP+SdDKrjl

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Post ID: @7ghxy+SdDKrjl

Post is spot on. I should have seen it coming when one manager quit/retired and the next one quit ... they knew what was coming and kept their integrity and left rather than force unreasonable work load and unattainable matrixes on loyal, hard working, honest employees to hound then until they quit or could be terminated to avoid paying severance at office closure time. Upper management picking off employees to save their own retirement packages. Sad and disappointing way to end so many careers over the past several years and for the next few as offices close. After grieving and anguish of unfair and dishonest situation I say just walk away and keep your health and integrity. It’s not worth the money to put up with it. There is no recourse for poor or unscrupulous management. Good luck to all.

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Post ID: @6pdso+SdDKrjl

I’m an almost 40 year employee closing in on retirement. It saddens me what a sh--hole SF had turned into. It used to be a wonderful company to work for. Those days are long gone. For several years we have tried to tell our leaders the EOM system is not the way to go. We were basically told to sit down & shut up. My peers are just trying to stick it out until they too can get out & retire. Morale is way down. Very sad.

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Post ID: @2oja+SdDKrjl

I am an affected proximity employee working in a business unit that reviews/investigates both Auto and Fire claims plus conduct in person interviews with policyholders and external vendors.

We are paying through the nose on bullsh!t claims. We do not have the personnel and the leadership fortitude to properly investigate and "pay what we owe" and "fight what we don't".

Not only are we losing valued employees and valued policyholders, we are also helping bad actors profit from fraud/inflated claims.

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Post ID: @1qjm+SdDKrjl

The point system and the fact employees no longer have any actual "sick time". You have a bank of hours, which you can use for either vacation time or sick time. Even if you aren't going to get any points if you don't have any time left you are going to come to work sick. Oh and heaven forbid don't get sick at work, if you leave early you will get points. So just think about that, you could be having a sick employee handle your claim, how well do you think a sick employee will handle your claim?

You may not have to be face to face with a sick employee that could make you sick, but your claim is being handled by someone that should be home in bed getting better, but remember if the employee doesn't have any time left they won't leave work if they can tough it out. So your claim is being handled by a sick employee whose mind isn't on your claim but on how lousy they feel....

Also remember if the employee does call out sick, the whole time they are worrying about the points they are accruing....nothing like worrying about points to help you feel better.

Really we are treated like children instead of the adults we are...and yet we are still required to make adult decisions on claims, really can't expect adult decisions on claims when the adults are constantly being treated like children.

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Post ID: @1loc+SdDKrjl

The internal was SR

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Post ID: @1qqp+SdDKrjl

Great article! I’m a 25+year employee and cannot get an 1:00 hour off because we are not in SLO. I have over 60 Days PTO.

The points system is another problem. People come to work sick with the flu because they are concerned about getting points. if we leave early we get points. The points is a joke. Don’t punish everyone - address the issue with the people abusing the system. .

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Post ID: @1rvv+SdDKrjl

What’s interesting is that a McKinsey Group consulting partner was charged with fraudulent billing in excess of 2 million. State Farm was billed for this individual to go to Prague, London and Broadway shows in Chicago. This is the company that State Farm hired and implemented EOM.

All over the internet. Google it.

Even mentions an internal consultant was involved.

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Post ID: @1iuq+SdDKrjl

where are injury claim handlers exempt? We still get OT where I am at and there is pleny of work to go around.

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Post ID: @wfw+SdDKrjl

Totally agree with everything listed in this post. I received 3 months of training and then went to claim School, back in the legacy days, i now have a CPCU, which State Farm paid for, but i am still just a number to the company, a warm body in a seat who has $100,000 draft authority, but still have to adhere to a no cell phone policy and attendance policy because associates in the hubs, cant stay off their phones or show up to work at all. We no longer get treated like professionals. the fastest way to make things better is to ask your front line handlers how to make their jobs easier, more efficient. they will tell you what works and what doesn't work

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Post ID: @toa+SdDKrjl

Amazingly accurate post.

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Post ID: @ryq+SdDKrjl

Wish there was a like button for this article! Spot on!

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Post ID: @veg+SdDKrjl

Yes best post I have read and spot on.

5-6 years ago they had claims taken by First Notice of Loss, by highly trained people, who had about 14 weeks of training, who were to handle the entire claim if it was a clear liability or comprehensive claim. So nice because very seldom were mistakes made...the claim was handled properly and handled correctly. Then they decided to separate the two functions, which to this day I am not sure WTF they were thinking. We were also called ACC, Auto Claim Central where we didn't have these dumb a-- metrics..we had access to ISO and other resources, we could take time to investigate and properly handle claims, we could deliver Remarkable Customer Service...NOT ANYMORE. I am appalled by the mistakes I see in the claims, and like the poster above I am either talking people off the ledge, or fixing other handler's mistakes...now mind you I can't fault them because they had way less training than I did. When we switched over to Express we received two weeks of training, now for those of us that came from ACC, fine., but for the ones that came from other departments that was so not fair to them, they are still struggling to this day. So if your claims are poorly handled......that is why. State Farm doesn't care or want well trained experienced people handling claims...they have proved that with AutoILR and Express. You can't get over a 5% raise in Express..that is the max. So you bust your butt and meet the metrics and wow the max is 5% what is the point. Oh and now SF is not raising your base pay but giving you a "bonus" ......why work that hard for a company that won't reward your skills with a raise in your base pay?

We were told the SCP's would be all we would need to handle claims...what a joke. There are so many grey areas in claim handling that you have to have training and experience to figure out and understand the grey areas. The SCP's are as clear as mud....they are confusing and poorly executed and not a replacement for actual claim training. BUT State Farm decided that was how they were going to save money by having us read through a manual on how to handle claims,....and now they are loosing policies so fast... all because they tried to cut corners on claim handling. Policy holders are leaving because we are no longer able to provide Remarkable Customer Service claim handling like we used to. We handle claims horribly, we make so many mistakes, mistakes we shouldn't be making, but we make them... people are pissed and rightly so.

You get what you pay for and since State Farm has decided that they don't want to pay and retain quality claim handlers...they want to cut costs on claim handling and Policy holders are figuring out that they are not longer valued at State Farm, oh and neither are the employees....

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Post ID: @heh+SdDKrjl

Nailed it. I wish there was a like button.

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Post ID: @vjv+SdDKrjl

Great post. Go back a few more years and add "File Ownership." When we got away from this, that's when it all started to go downhill.

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Post ID: @esu+SdDKrjl

The same EOM principles were applied to operations, and the results there are also not what was 'sold' as a better way. The 'do more, and do it faster, regardless of whether it is correct, or in the best interest of the policyholder' mentality is quickly taking this company down. That saddens me.

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Post ID: @jef+SdDKrjl

The same EOM principles were applied to operations, and the results there are also not what was 'sold' as a better way. The 'do more, and do it faster, regardless of whether it is correct, or in the best interest of the policyholder' mentality is quickly taking this company down. That saddens me.

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Post ID: @hny+SdDKrjl

My husband has 32years with SF in claims. You nailed it! Hopefully the right people will read your post.

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Post ID: @cbg+SdDKrjl

I remember when we were in training as we migrated to the new model, the trainer said "the SCP will do 90% of the work for you!!!"

This is Complex BI....it's not someone slowly backing into a light post in a parking lot, you can't have a "paint by numbers" approach to lawsuits, fatalities and claims with huge exposures. It requires experience, careful investigation and negotiation, not some poorly written 3 step guide.

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Post ID: @lwi+SdDKrjl

Spot on. This is the best summation of the problems this company is experiencing that I have read thus far.

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Post ID: @ddx+SdDKrjl

Nailed it! Amazing post.

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Post ID: @zfx+SdDKrjl

As very long-term auto claims employee, I can say that this posting is spot on. From the very beginning, all of us in claims knew that this EOM model (which is just Lean Six Sigma with a different name) was going to fail. It’s time for our leadership to acknowledge this and move on to things that work.This job requires employees with critical thinking skills, extensive training, and years of experience.

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Post ID: @krf+SdDKrjl

Nailed it!

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Post ID: @xfo+SdDKrjl

This is the best post I've seen thus far. On point. I'm so sorry for my company. I believed in the SF family. Now these newer Hub folks I work with don't seem to have the same love of the company. And I'm sorry they don't have the same work ethic. Great post.

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Post ID: @qyb+SdDKrjl

My experience exactly. I'm newer, growing up in express and property complex auto, and this is definitely common place. I somehow managed to hit metrics and apply an intellectual approach to making compliant and IMO accurate claims decisions, so my manager tried to get me to go to injury. I heard about their workload and exempt status, did the math in my head, and realized I can make the same or even more money with OT in complex than in Injury, plus I get to have a life outside of work. I said no thanks.

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Post ID: @akw+SdDKrjl

Best thing AND most accurate post I have read on here. You nailed it!

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Post ID: @aba+SdDKrjl

I truly hope leaders at SF are reading these posts. I have been saying the same for years.

#nailedit

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Post ID: @mpj+SdDKrjl

On a board that reads mostly like the National Enquirer, this is the most accurate post I've seen on what has happened on the Claims side of the business. Nailed it. It has been insightful to see some of the ramblings coming from Systems, if some of the things I've read are true it makes it more easy to understand how we ended up with our antiquated ECS.

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Post ID: @oyt+SdDKrjl

@ten so true

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Post ID: @xjz+SdDKrjl

This is every day right now in claims. In express with little room for advancement since 2013. Lots of other people are in my office in the same boat unable to progress because we can't move to a hub. Now our office is closing and many of us are still not able to move due to spouses or other family concerns. Even if you and your spouse both work for State Farm they have told us they won't take that into consideration. I was told my spouse who is in ilr was not guaranteed a ilr position in a hub if I were hired for a specialist position. My spouse could end up unemployed which is ridiculous.

Many of us have applied for more complex positions at competitors and get turned down. I had one lady interview me at a competitor saying she's shocked with how many people are stuck for years in low level roles at State Farm now.

The work quality from the hubs is abysmal. It's like those of us in smaller offices are expected to adhere to the SCPs and actually follow jurisdictionals while the people in hubs do what they want without consequences. Express should be easy enough to hit the metrics but we spend a lot of our day fixing their mistakes and it impacts us. They don't care about state laws. Some of them straight up lie to customers. They don't bother to read policies.

The self service stuff that is being pushed is poorly thought out. I get so many customers who have to call because they set up everything for repairs and rental but there is no self service towing. There is nowhere to put in a police report number. Why is it so incomplete that customers have to call anyway?

Don't get me started on workforce. How have they not figured out that our task queue keeps climbing when we are scheduled for nothing but phones all day? This has been a problem for a long time that doesn't get addressed. They seem to think tasks should get done while on a phone call without impacting handle/wrap. Team managers have complained but of course their input is ignored.

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Post ID: @ten+SdDKrjl

My thoughts exactly! Thank you

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Post ID: @equ+SdDKrjl

this will go viral

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Post ID: @pvl+SdDKrjl

This should be published, need a hard copy... OP you've articulated things that I felt but was unable to voice.

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Post ID: @xig+SdDKrjl

Slow Clap....Knocked it right out of the park...wow.

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Post ID: @icj+SdDKrjl

Best post so far.

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Post ID: @uou+SdDKrjl

kind of nailed it here: "Senior leaders became hell bent on designing a system to measure performance in what is largely a cerebral job."

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Post ID: @mzt+SdDKrjl

OP - Every. Single. Word. Is. #GOLD

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