Ok now I think Humana is really pushing it. They have notified us we are being laid off, now to add insult to injury those of us “impacted” are being pulled into meetings with our coaches and being threatened with being fired prior to the early release date, and losing our severance if we do not give 120% the final two weeks we have left to work. I am hearing about these threats from multiple nurses on impacted teams. It is not like we are slacking off in an 8 hour day, we are making steady calls until our 8 hour shift is completed, then signing off ( just like the coaches do I might add). I am no longer working a 9 or 10 hour day with no paid overtime to meet metrics because what’s the point? I’m out of here in 2 weeks. I, and others are talking of filing a complaint about a hostile work environment with HR. This is outright harassment, not to mention insensitivity on the part of management. I have enough to worry about with finding a new job to support my family without this unnecessary stress added to it. Show some compassion people.
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The OP is gone now, below poster.
That said, the original concern was about being expected to work extra hours beyond the 8 hour day to meet numbers, not about simply meeting expectations within the 8 hour day.
no one should expect 120%. that said you should give 100% and if your not you should be fired
My luck is that I will get PIP and be let go.....
Fired and No severance!
She wouldn’t give details. Alluded to MOC changes, only scheduled calls, and it will be different than we currently know it...supposedly.
Below poster, what changes are coming?
HCM-RN here. We were informed in our meeting today that with all the new changes coming our way very soon, if we are an outlier compared to our peers, as far as contacts, MPS, audit scores, or etc...we would be facing a PIP.
@2wah - if you are ignorant of the numerous accomplishments of labor unions, some books that might help:
The Dawning of American Labor: The New Republic to the Industrial Age
There Is Power in a Union: The Epic Story of Labor in America
Triangle: The Fire That Changed America
Why Unions Matter
Below poster, your bias is showing your ignorance.
RTMqWtC-2kix. I recommend cracking a history book to learn unions are not responsible for the majority of things listed! Oh boy have you been mislead
To the Union bashing poster. Reasons to thank Unions, even if you aren’t in one:
Weekends without work
All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
Paid vacation
Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
Sick leave
Social Security
Minimum wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
8-hour work day
Overtime pay
Child labor laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40-hour work week
Workers’ compensation (workers’ comp)
Unemployment insurance
Workplace safety standards and regulations
Employer health care insurance
Collective bargaining rights for employees
Wrongful termination laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
Whistleblower protection laws
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
S-xual harassment laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday pay
Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
Privacy rights
Pregnancy and parental leave
Military leave
The right to strike
Public education for children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
Laws ending sweatshops in the United States
Why is there such anger and bitterness about anyone - nurse, office worker, police officer, teacher, factory worker - you name it- anyone who is paid to work a 40 hour week wanting to work just that - 40 hours, not 50 or more without any overtime? When I signed up years ago to work for Humana I was told it was a 40 hour a week job, very clearly. I was tired of working other jobs where I was expected to regularly work overtime without pay. I was very clear about that with the HR woman who hired me and she assured me Humana was not like that. I don’t mind the occasional exception but not day in and day out. That was why I left a higher paying job for my current one at Humana. I wanted less stress mentally and physically. For several years this job really honored that agreement, then things changed and more and more work expectations were piled up on the nurses - too much to consistently complete in an 8 hour day. As for shut up or get out’s comment, I am planning to get out as soon as I can find a - you guessed it - 40 hour job that does not mean floor work - probably is CCR or UR. I have some health issues that prevent me working on the floor any more. The only time I willingly worked overtime is when I was in Management and I knew overtime was expected of me when I was hired eyes wide open. I was ambitious and knew that was how to move up the management ladder, you put in the overtime. RN HCMs here are workers with personal and family obligations that do not work well around greater than a 40 hour work week. Please respect that
@RTMqWtC-1tjg Yeah right. We have seen what the Unions do in the long term. Thanks but no thanks.
For those saying “shut up or get out” to OP who does not want to work longer than the 8 hour workday, I suggest you read about what our nation’s workers and Unions went through to get that 8 hour workday, and all that built up to the Fair Labor Standards Act.
Had you been alive to witness those striking and marching for the 8 hour day, would you have been one of the folks telling them to “shut up” and just do what they are told?
Please don’t argue that OP is not part of a union - that’s not the point. The point is that if you can not see the worker’s side, if you side only with the corporations and you expect subservient workers to forget their own needs and firget about what has been fought for and won in this country by united workers, you are part of the problem.
Is it really that hard to believe that there are some rogue coaches out there behaving badly? They are probably in a panic about losing their jobs. Maybe their COMs are not so nice, or maybe their inadequate, or maybe just bit##es! I believe you OP and I know all coaches are not doing this, especially mine.
OP I'm an impacted HCM and have been a victim of this. Thank you for sharing our story. I do my best and it's never good enough. I get paid to do 1 job, not 2 or 3. I work my 8 hours and done. This seems to be a problem with management. I refuse to work over the 8 hours I'm salaried for. If others want to give extra, please do so, but I will not and done accept getting ridiculed for it. Humana no longer deserves that from me.
Oh come on. They are paying you to do a job. S--- it up or get out....
I am the original poster and this is not BS, it is actually happening. You, as a coach, may not be doing this but I can confirm other coaches are. Nurses have shared the emails with me and of course these meetings are all recorded and can be verified. Multiple impacted nurses have been called in to group and individual meetings with their coaches and not so subtly threatened with being fired if we do not give it our all and then some, these last two weeks. One associate is so upset over this, they are checking in with a friend in HR to see whether or not it would productive to file a complaint with HR or if doing so would place their severance at risk. On the positive side I have also heard of a few compassionate coaches encouraging their impacted nurses to take full advantage of Right Management meetings/ webinars during work time so long as it does not impact their making calls too substantially. But the threats from coaches are outweighing the support by a margin of more than three to one. I would not have bothered posting if this was not true, and was shocked by this behavior
I find it funny that a coach is posting on this site when most deny knowing about it or tell us its all fake news. Why comment on something that's fake. Coaches have proven to be snakes in the grass that are out for themselves. Survival of the fittest and I'm ok with that. Just be honest about your intentions.
I’m calling BS on the original poster. I am a coach with impacted associates and neither I or the other coaches on my team been instructed to do any such thing to our associates leaving. You are expected to do your job, but not anymore than anybody else on the team. Humana is not trying to get out of paying severance. If you have a coach telling you to do more then I would reach out to either their COM or HR.
What was that comment about big butts?! You obviously have never worked the floor in a hospital before. Nurses run their “ butts” off for 12 hour shifts, rarely have time for a bathroom break much less lunch. You usually have to make a choice between a unit secretary or CNA but can’t have both, and almost always a floor is understaffed by at least one nurse so that increases the nurse to patient ratio increasing the delay in proper patient care. You usually chart standing up if you’re not rushing over to a room to answer a call light or two usually flashing at the same time. The point is, nurses, if working a 40 hour shift sitting at a desk or not, should be expected to work 8 hours a day just like any other medical office worker, and sign off guilt free at the end of that shift - not threatened with being fired for not working another hour or more non paid to meet unreasonable work loads. I have been with Humana a long time and seen this job change from one with very reasonable work expectations to a job that now is not only unreasonable but also unrecognizable which is why Humana’s attrition level is more than 3X the national average. I know this because I participated in a study group about attrition at Humana
@vif- that was a bit uncalled for, bashing a dept isn’t needed or necessary
Most RN's maybe 30% is what they can manage. Remember the big butts comment? Why do they have big butts? Because they spent a whole career in hospitals sitting on their butts. We all know what RN's do... Or rather don't... Try working for a living rather than relying on a license.
Just give 120%... like you have been. Deep breaths. 2 more weeks then you are done. And getting the severance that's well deserved. Best of luck to you.