It was mentioned in another thread that this post was deleted. It's still here. I was impacted and I am 46.
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May this thread Rest In Peace.....
@RDICQLg-2dlt If you don't wish to believe there are checks and balances don't. I won't try to convince you but please don't spend huge amounts of time or money on lawyers.
I'm a coach and about 1/3 of the impacted from my team I scored well. I was very shocked to see some of the names on my list. The rest were the lowest scores.
@2ezl. RDICQLg-2yba so you are ok that the poster stated that you were laid off because you didn't fit with Humana's future.?.
Am I ok with it? I don’t know, it’s a point of view I’ve not considered
You are ok with them telling people that are already feeling bad and depressed that you were laid off because you scored low... .
The poster never said that anyone scored low, maybe it wasn’t on what you did, but if your skill set fits in with what they need, you may need to read the post again
Were you laid off this week?
Yes. And trying to make sense of it all.
Not.. I am so sure... Try reading through the post again before casting your opinion.
Try reading through it again before you judge others struggling with understanding. Some have posted they feel it’s gods way, I don’t see people wishing curses on them.
It was an idea, and some people took personal offense to things that weren’t personal or offensive.
Pretty basic stuff, see the proof, don’t make assumptions.
No one knows what’s happening with the changes, orpther than lower than expected enrollment and Humana wanting to we’ve chronic conditions...where on earth did you get the poster said someone scored low, or that there were favorites?
It’s a sad state that people can’t express themselves without people jumping all over them.
I was rif. I’m trying to understand it. The posters view made as much sense as any other.
I do not work for Humana but my company has a thriving board here - you may want to learn more about how rampant Age Discrimination is in corporate America. I am not saying it's happening at your company as I have no insight into the internal dynamics of the enterprise, however feel free to check out this hashtag ( #AgeDiscrimination ) and see how many companies have an issue with this...
this escalated quickly.
RDICQLg-2yba so you are ok that the poster stated that you were laid off because you didn't fit with Humana's future.?. You are ok with them telling people that are already feeling bad and depressed that you were laid off because you scored low... . Were you laid off this week? Not.. I am so sure... Try reading through the post again before casting your opinion.
Maybe that is why the other poster suggested you see the assessments done before making assumptions of what’s on there or not. A good defense needs a good offense, you don’t know what you’re up against or what you’re fighting against legally without seeing it.
Please don’t put a curse on me for expressing my opinion.
@RDICQLg-2uun '"HR are very very specific in the requirements they set down and they make sure That we don't go rogue."
HR only see names and scores... How are they able to discern looking at names and scores that the coach didnt score base on favoritism/ .. they go on what is on paper that was submitted to them.. Can you tell me how they are aware that it is favoritism/ .. HR dont know us.. i could see if they looked in our previous performance reviews and saw that we werent a high performer.. nope... they really dont have anything to go by... Please educate me otherwise.
Why are people bashing out at someone who has a different point of view that is coward focus? To pray god puts a curse on them for expressing an opinion? I might not agree with it, or may agree with some of it, but cursing someone?
@2dsw, if you’re so sure it’s the same poster, and they’re in leadership, since you know so much of the poster, why are you asking who they are on this sire?
It’s been a tough few weeks on us all, we don’t need to be turning on each other, trying to make sense of a situation. It was an opinion. That’s all...and all they said was before you assume it’s your age, you may want to look at your point in time assessment, you basically agreed with them in your all caps cursing barrage, you do t know what the coach wrote. You don’t know what was said. Before you assume it’s your age, since you haven’t seen the assessment done, you may want to see it.
Geez, folks, take it down a notch. We don’t need to be threatening each other
@RDICQLg-2mak I was let go yesterday and I was in a leadership position. You are so wrong in your assumptions. You seem to think the Coach and COMS can do what they like, this is not true. HR are very very specific in the requirements they set down and they make sure That we don't go rogue. HR is the last defense Humana has against the Lawyers and the Class Action law suits. Coches do not have the discretion ( not DISCREPANCY) to do as they like.
In the past I have needed to fire someone and HR were against me all the way until it became clear to them that termination was needed. From that point on they made damn sure everything was legal.
I have had HR contact me about accusations of favoritism. They don't just talk to me they call other people on the team and I have no idea who they are or what they say.
I don't see how @RDICQLg-1hny could be considered offensive. You are living in a hole of your own making.
@1pwf...we see patterns where we want, why don’t you see if there is a pattern for those who weren’t rif? My team was impacted, and those that are remaining are all over 50. See a pattern if you want, but you may want to see the other side of the story or who is left before you make assumptions.
PLease get off the age thing. ..if you feel a disproportionate amount of older workers were let go, see a lawyer. I’m sure the under 40 year olds feel the same way, or those that are new hires, or those that were more seasoned. Please, waste your severance on a lawyer...but I agree with the poster who said you may want to check your point in time assessment, you may feel your sh-- doesn’t stink. But your assessment may say otherwise...just trying to save you wasted money in legal fees...
NOT a troll, not a pattern, they will send out a list of those over a certain age to prove there was no discrimination. Legally, they have to send it to you. If you want to see unicorns in the rainbow and say it’s based on age, I’d suggest you get a copy of your point in time assessment before you spend money on a lawyer. You’re dealing with a huge corporation who knows the laws. You can’t be discrimination against for age....nor were you let go because of your 401k, your banked PTO, or your salary or medical claims. You ere let go because you don’t fit into the future picture of where humana wants to go and how they see you and your skill set. It’s not what did, or didn’t do, it’s what can you do to further them...that’s why there’s no reason to it from our view, if humana was transparent, as they say, instead of this halfassedness they do, it may make more sense....imagine if they said, ‘were transitioning to home health and have to reduce our staffing due to lower enrollment. We decided to concentrate on those members that need more help, the higher quadrant people, because that aligns us with our long term goals....we really hate to have to impact so many of you, and you are great, but your skill set doesn’t fit into what we’re looking to do, when we hired you, we thought that was the direction we were going, but were not....and, as such, we are not going to be needing your skill set/ability, we’ve selected this group of people going forward, since we feel they’re a better match”....would that make more sense if we were told that?
Seems like there are some trolls on here trying to avoid the truth I see a pattern.
53, not rif, no pattern, sorry. That’s why they send the list out to prove no discrimination
62 and I see a pattern
You will receive a listing if you are 55 and over showing all employees that were impacted with layoff. I received one in November..
Being on FMLA only protects your job if there is a job to protect. If your job, is eliminated, FMLA doesn’t matter. And Humana nurses skew older as experience is needed and often make this a later stage career move.
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The RIFS from our team were low performers, and younger. I believe our coach was fair. Sorry for the rest of you that didn't get the fair shake.
my team lost three and they were not the oldest on the team but were the ones that did not perform as well
Hi I was previously RIFed in November. I thought the same that it was age discrimination but if you are over age 40 Humana will send you the Older workers act document as apart of your contract in a few days after the meeting and it will list all of the impacted positions and their ages excluding names. I hope that gives you a bit of comfort. The ages were all over the map from 30s to 60s.
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Well, I can see your point but Humana tends to hire an older, more experienced population. There are very few less than 40. You may want to do some demographics on the average age of the employees. However, asking the "elderly" to take early retirement, that's another story. Pregnant lady may have a serious case. FMLA'd lady may have a case. Just my opinion.
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44 and in intermittent FMLA to care for my terminal mother
@ybu, I would give you a hug if I could. I’m so sorry you are in that position—I have been in your shoes—literally 100% in your shoes, and it is overwhelming, to say the least. Please take care of yourself and your baby! That is the most important thing right now.
31 and just told them I was pregnant too
HCM-RN here 44 and I know of three others in 40s and one in 50s
I don't think age is factor. Maybe the regions??????
34 and i just told my coach i was pregnant..,
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o geeze. See a lawyer
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