Do expats still get all those extravagant tax free alloances in this tough business environment for oil? It makes a lot of sense to cut back on those.
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In my expat package nubile women and muscular men anoit my body with fine olive oil, plus, I get lots of preferential tax treatment.
the is correct "Most are incompetent bottom-of-the-barrel types who cannot cut it anywhere else. Known fact....."
You betcha! 20 years on the overseas gravy train and lovin it!
Cut down on the bigotry and xenophobia. Your bitterness and envy are a reflection of you, not the expats. Rather than trying to bring others down, try to focus on bettering our own circumstances.
1Fomv, since when did people who worked harder earned more in Chevron? You must be in fantasyland!
1Edlk, Why would you be jealous of someone just because they work harder than you and earn more than you? They earned it, they deserve it. What's your problem?
Jealousy, jealously - so pathetic when coupled with envy in the guise of fiscal outrage.
Has the last of it been said on this topic? With the new Chairman on board, look for cushy times to end in ExpatLand.
Most are incompetent bottom-of-the-barrel types who cannot cut it anywhere else. Known fact.....
whex - Good post, I agree with that. Most are free-loaders. I have had to deal with many of them personally.
@wtro, well said. Very true.
@wnel, 5 out of every 100 employees is still too high a number for the number of expats in this company. Trim that back to 1%.
I'm fairly certain no location in the company has more than 5% expats at the moment. If you know of one, speak up. Otherwise, this is a non-issue considering how critical they are to the business.
I believe that there are still more of the types who don't want to go to these remote locations than who do. That makes the premium pay necessary to attract anyone of decent caliber to do the work others don't want to do. That being said, the ex-pat field has historically been made up of sub-par performers and players who would rather game the system for more payout or are simply less qualified and need to stay under the radar. It's no secret, and well-known to managers and recruiters. You and I have heard all of the stories of people responding first hand about how sweet a gig they got overseas somewhere for doing a lot of nothing. In addition. the remote locations are ideal for these sub-par performers to hide with little to no oversight. I have awakened from a comfy little nap many an expat worker during normal working hours to get info. No joke. It's a haven for slackers. Not to say everyone is. Some are highly skilled and do it for more diverse experience or simply to feed their family back home and make ends meet. I can guarantee to you from first hand experience, those people are the exceptions and they have to deal with more incompetence than you probably ever will.
The topic of this discussion is excessive expat allowances. The low oil price is severely weighing down on Chevron's ability to make profits. But the lavish expat lifestyles and allowances continue. What is going on?
What's with all of the butthurt loser and deadwood types posting with the off-topic fake success stories that no one can confirm, since they are anonymous and all tall tales told by coward losers on this site. Seriously? Yes, you are a laid-off loser but you are a huge investment genius, and all at the same time you troll the layoffs.com site because you are that much of a success, but also a loser with no life. Uhh, Seriously? No. Not true, cupcake. If you want to post falsehoods, this is the place. Join the club, losers. It's anonymous, you're nameless, lie away losers. It's a layoffs forum. I'll get the popcorn, lol
Oh, by the way, I forgot, QUE the NEXT LOSER WHO Says, well, I don't know about you, speak for yourself, but I have this(fill in the blank - FAKE made up info), and I did this (Fake story) and JUST because you are too Blah Blah Blah, doesn't mean that I'm not a (insert fake success data)
Ad nauseam of illiterate lying losers.
Oh, did I mention - please keep up the fiction, it's entertaining, I have popcorn ready - we reallly really believe you !!! LOL!
wtlm, Yes, you mean you are in denial because you are a pathetic asshurt loser with no savings due to a failed investment strategy, yes, I get it. Keep your head up, son, things will turn around. An attitude adjustment may help, just a hint.
@vgrv, No, quite a few of us are FI, have been for years, and are laughing at posers like you. YMMV.
It's self evident from the lack of seriousness and manner of expression that several here on this site have no real retirement savings to their name or sense of investing. Oh well, that's why the world has poor, middle class and rich people living in it. Not everyone can be so lucky or well prepared for the challenges they must face in their lifetimes. And I'm not here to save the world. Laugh on, you clowns. Ignorance is bliss, but only for a brief time.
Oh, it's the FA wannabe without a forum again? LMFAO! Yea, these people who got canned really are looking here for advice from a loser.
uffd, oh dear, did someone hit a raw nerve with you, snoflake? Maybe it's because of the self-destructive investment advice that you seem to think applies to normal people who don't have thick skulls like yours. Yes, the markets response to president Trump has been impressive. Typically a pro-economy, pro-business, pro-capitalism candidate will conjure that type of market response, it's rather puzzling. to some. But yet, just as the market crashed after the Democrats took over both houses of Congress(who control the purse) in 2007, no need to over-analyze it. Or even make some common sense observations. They will say something irrelevant such as "it's Bush's fault". The stock market did not "DOUBLE" since last November. My investments did not either. They have doubled since I took the lump sum, a big risk on my part. with risk, sometimes, there is reward. I invested in the right stocks. YMMV
Hey ukne, tell that again to ufgp. He's the imbecile. Better yet, write it again, this time in CAP letters so it gets through his thick skull.
Ufgp, ubct, no need to get crass with each other. Let's be civil to each other. Please take up the cause of getting the message to Chevron: cut the lavish expat allowances.
@tzgk, You are correct in not expecting me to take you seriously. My tone has nothing to do with it. No one takes you seriously either. Congrats on making some gains with your investments. The markets have been going straight up since November last year. But don't exaggerate.
@tbyp, so are you insinuating that prior to retirement you were a deadwood loser sponging off the company? Because I can believe that.
Your lump sum of "what" has doubled, txrm?? Not your pension money. I'd believe you're referring to the lump of crap you leave in the toilet every other day. Laid off losers tend to double the bulk of the turds they pass compared to working folk.
It does not sound like the expat is the butt hurt one in the current conversation. The whining ones appear to be the non-competitive domestic workers that feel they are entitled to a job just because.
Maybe one expat costs the same as two domestic employees, so what? If the work is overseas then it would be pretty stupid to can the expat and keep two domestic employees with no work to do hanging around. It does not take a management guru to figure that one out.
Right on @ttqp. That actually goes for everyone still working at Chevron. Work your butt off, Jack. Your sweat pays for my annuity and the dividends I get on some CVX stock I picked up just over $70 on the last dip. Back to work now!
Slmx, neither the expats nor the domestic US employees should face salary cuts. But the allowances for the expats should be cut, at least by 50%, which will still be very generous. I am not jealous of expats. I am just advocating a fair compensation policy across the organization.
Hey sari, if your so concerned about chevron folks keeping their jobs , why don't you suggest (and lead by example) that pay be reduced across the organization. We employees are already so well compensated relative to most workers (US or otherwise). I don't think you will - you're just another sap jealous that someone has it better than you.
sdxa, so you will retire before 38 years old? Wow!!! Good for you! Until then though, keep working like the pathetic asshurt loser that you are, chump, I like the dividends....
@sdxa you are just another expat gloating about the egregiously high premiums and allowances. Chevron take note of this attitude. Is this what you want in this difficult business environment? At least two hard working domestic Chevroids can keep their jobs by reducing the allowances of every such expat who is sponging off the value created by their domestic compatriots in the US.
I will be retired at a much younger age than you.
I got my job with Chevron many years ago by hiring on as an expat. Apparently no one in the company was willing to accept the assignment so I did. Yes, times are tough now for domestic US workers, but you have to go where the work is sometimes. You had your chances before the downturn but were either too comfortable sitting stateside or not good enough to make the cut. That is your problem, not mine.
Nobody is denied opportunities since all expats got their jobs through the normal PDC process. If you are better qualified you can steal their job. If not, sorry, no point sending a great expat home just so some millennial can get training. We need the very best person in every job. I have found career expats do the best, occasional expats second best and those who do not go expat until late are the worst performers as they have ingrained habits and low flexibility.
I liked whoever commented that the domesticos who are crying about expat benefits are the same who squeal like pigs if anyone suggests taking away their 9/80 perk. The hypocrisy!
Hey, in every job you have to work hard. There are negatives positives goodbosses bad bosses good days bad days. But expat jobs come with huge monetary benefits and extras. It might have been ok in good times. But it is totally irresponsible criminal and unfair that Chevron keeps showering such benefits on a few at the expense of US domestic employees. At least bring them back home after a strict 3 year term so that they dont create this class of expat employees who permanently stay abroad denying others the opportunities.
What @qx11 wasn't "well said", it was just his opinion. And btw, I didn't have many things I would call negatives in my expat assignments. I'm a person that adapts well to any situation and my goals were always about the money. I don't let a few inconveniences spoil anything. I stay focused on my job and all the money. That's it.
Well said qx11. A lot of folks here with obvious ExPat envy, but they don't consider the negatives of an ExPat assignment.
Most ExPats are in their positions because they have highly valued, critical knowledge and skill sets - otherwise the host countries would not agree to allowing foreign nationals to take jobs that national employees could fill.
It's ironic, but not surprising, that the folks whining about ExPats under the guise of saving money and protecting US jobs are not arguing just as strongly about giving up the 9/80 workweek.
@qxll, I've been an expat on 3 overseas assignments. I'm not a manager or anyone too special. But, like other posters have already stated, on all of my 3 tours, Chevron paid 100% of my housing as well as for a maid and a chauffeur. The company simply does not want me to drive anywhere. I managed to save 100% of my base salary and a small part of the 50% gross up.
qx11 Good summary of the expat life.