Thread regarding Altice USA (Cablevision) layoffs

To ALL NEWBIES AND VETERANS: This is something YOU HAVE TO READ.

Altice will NEVER explain it to you. If YOU need proof that "union dues" was never a "big deal", then check out what a technician going by the moniker "Kanobee" said. He made an outstanding point.... a point that probably went by everyone here. And I give him credit for bringing it up. It was an astute, but clever comparison.

During my time with Cablevision, we had 8 sick days and 3 personals to use. We were also given HOLIDAY PAY, which was equivalent to a week's salary. A generous gesture from the company for Christmas. That was 2 years ago. When it was a joy to work for the company. But from what I've read and heard, things have REALLY changed. Not being there and not knowing the EXACT changes that have been made since then, I'll assume one thing. From what I've read, I assume you have lost the holiday bonus... one week's pay.

If you were earning $20 per hour, your weekly salary would be $800 (40 hours per week).

Union dues, at 1.7% amounts to $27.20 per paycheck, or $13.20 per week. There are 26 paychecks a year.

Now.... I ask you.... which is the lesser of the two evils?

If given the choice of one or the other, which would YOU have chosen? Pay $13.60 and keep $800? Or, lose $800 (no union)..... period? Yes, a loss is a loss. And no one wants to pay anyone for anything, if we can help it. We all think that way.

I won't use hindsight as a reason why joining a union would've prevented your loss. No one can predict the future. What if.... we should've.... ya see, I told you so. That doesn't help.

One thing is for sure.... NO COMPANY can instantaneously, or arbitrarily, at the last minute, at any time, change in any way, your earnings... if a contract was in place. Whatever is stipulated in your contract, whether it be holiday pay, number of sick and personals, lateness, disciplinary action, can not be changed, altered or erased. In other words... Altice is LEGALLY bound to the contract. PERIOD. The same goes for the signee... YOU. If bonus pay was included in the contract, YOU would've received your bonus.

Remember, the union MUST "push" for what YOU are asking for. The union is suppose to represent YOU. If technicians agree that 4 sick days will suffice, then that is YOUR call to make. YOU decide what the issues and concerns are. All contracts are ratified by the union members.... YOU. If you don't like what you read.... then YOU say NO to the agreement. Simple. There is no gun to your head.

So when you read things like "unions will sell you out", or "unions are in it for the money", then the assumption is that your understanding and comprehension of the English language needs assistance.

If you sign it, you understood it. If you sign it, you agree. If you sign it, you've read it. But if YOU don't understand it.... then for God's sake.... ASK SOMEONE. Of course... don't ask management for clarity.

And if YOUR MATH is telling YOU that you were better off losing $800, then, my God.... DON'T invest in stocks and DON'T do your own tax returns.

Right now, YOU do not know if there are future plans to eliminate more paid days. YOU DON'T. Only Altice does. And Altice currently has the legal right and authority to alter any rules, at any time, for the benefit of the company. If YOU owned the company, YOU would want the same advantage. It's common sense. And employees have the option to quit. Take it or leave it. They'll find someone else in a heartbeat.

Signing a union contract simply GUARANTEES what is stipulated within. Whatever is in there... that's the deal. If you're not sure of what a contract would look like, there's a link at the bottom for you to see. It's only 18 short pages. No big deal. It involved the IBEW and COMCAST... a cable company... like yours. It's new and in simple English. Take the time to read it. But remember, this is for COMCAST. It is NOT guaranteed YOU will get the same. That's the union's job. And it's YOUR job to decide "yes" or "no."

Thank you poster Kanobee. Hopefully, you've awakened those who have been asleep behind the wheel.

Here's the link...

http://ibew827.com/sites/local827d6.prometheuslabor.com/files/comcast_fairfield_2015-2018_approved.pdf

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Post ID: @OP+M8yENCw

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I guess management realy must be worried that its employees may get a voice again .Sorry ,but the only reason the union was decert in 2000 after cablevision took tci was due to some realy realy bad people brought in as managers to help sow disent and break the union the comapny spent millions and almost 2 years to get rid of the union.And it was not to benefit the employees .Sorry to let you in on the fact your not quite that important to them it was for corporate benefit.They harrassed employees followed them on off time.They used a handfull of spineless fellow employees to create a parlor trick making it seem like the majority didnt want the union and used legal corporate protections to never actualy have to show a list.In the mean time a few fellow employees who got side deals and extras were used as company pawns against their own fellow friends and employees spineless and you know who you are . Dv-F Jf -M.

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Post ID: @3qrh+M8yENCw

Thanks for trying

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Post ID: @2ozp+M8yENCw

@M8yENCw-1foz

This one is rather difficult, In 1999, AT+T bought TCI (Tele-Communications Inc). That would tell me it's possibly, but not unlikely, that those records, if they were available online, is no more. The only information I found is provided at the link below.

The problem with this information is that would match the timeline you were asking for but I believe not the local. I don't if the agreement ALSO included the New Jersey local.

http://buffalonews.com/1988/10/20/tci-strike-ends-with-agreement-on-3-year-pact/

Sorry my friend.

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Post ID: @1eae+M8yENCw

I believe the contract was signed under TCI. Thanks

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Post ID: @1foz+M8yENCw

Anonymous..... we would need more data to get a search going. What union and local was the old contract under? Was it "union" when Cablevision owned it or before? If so, what was the original name of the company prior to purchase. As Cablevision expanded, purchases were made from competing companies. I have no idea. If they were represented by the CWA... then forget it. There is "zero" in their websites. The IBEW provides access to any contracts they have placed online. Everyone has access. They have nothing to hide I guess. But we need more info.

Wish I can help. Keep in mind, you can't compare the past with the present, nor the present with the future. Things change. I know you're at the crossroads. I feel you, dude. But honestly, compare the pros and the cons in your decision, what "can" happen if I vote YES, what "can" happen if I vote NO. The word "can" is NEVER a sure thing. I guess the way to decide is.... which direction will provide the least pain..... for now. And I say that because the future is always uncertain. Even the religious can't tell you when Jesus will return. But there's always light at the end of every tunnel.

Decide with your brain and not your heart. Reason your decision out. Don't overthink too much. If you over analyze, it will lead to more uncertainty. Then you will begin to doubt your judgment. Be glad you are working and not unemployed. Then again, with the current Altice atmosphere in all depots... who knows of events that are still to come.

I personally don't like to be in positions of uncertainty. We all have options. All situations have options. I choose the least painful. And I don't regret wrong decisions. That doesn't help. Just roll with the punches and fall on your back. In this way, your eyes are looking forward as you get up.

Good luck, my friend.

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Post ID: @1rrr+M8yENCw

@obeone I see your point. Fair enough. It's a bit frustrating to come in here and only see that 1 opinion is right. God forbid you disagree or ask questions you are either called a "pillow biter" or management or other names. Very mature and forward thinking. I've been around a long time. Long enough to have been represented by 827. I witnessed a lot of cronyism and favoritism as well as incredibly inept leadership. I'm sure some of this may have changed. I hope so. I'm still fact finding and having read the Comcast contract it was not so convincing. Is there some place I could find the old contract Oakland had back in the day?

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Post ID: @1ahd+M8yENCw

"I still haven't made up my mind to tell you the truth. My mind is pretty open. However after reading the Comcast contract I was certainly not convinced."

The Comcast contract serves as just an example.

Oakland/IBEW will sit down with Hilber and negotiate their own CBA.

You must however, understand the big picture which is something of great importance. Once the CBA is ratified, it means that all the terms & conditions of your employment are locked in for the term of the agreement.

Altice will not be able to make any unilateral changes without it being negotiated with the union.

read more here--->

https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/whats-law/unions/collective-bargaining-section-8d-8b3

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Post ID: @1qar+M8yENCw

@Ben. Sorry not management. I just have a problem with a person who his is trying to influence people and has no right to. I've refuted quite a few things on here. I still haven't made up my mind to tell you the truth. My mind is pretty open. However after reading the Comcast contract I was certainly not convinced.

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Post ID: @1vct+M8yENCw

@M8yENCw-zhb

Why is it that the best that these company pillow biters can do is try and shame Obeeone into not posting? How about you rebut what he's posting rather than claim he's a union rep or questioning why hes posting at all? Is he not allowed to care? Go crawl back under __ (insert anyone in managements name here) desk!

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Post ID: @1yds+M8yENCw

obeone not sure why you are even commenting so much. You have no skin in the game.

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Post ID: @zhb+M8yENCw

Wowwww ! Good one, Anonymous.

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Post ID: @quu+M8yENCw

Would we have lost either if more shops were union?

A question for the pro company guys. How much do you think the company pays law firms to fight labor violations by the company? How much do they pay lawyers to protect the company's interest?

Why is 1.7% that big a deal when it comes to having someone looking out for you and your interest? How much do they pay their "HR" department to be the eyes and ears of the company? Surely, You don't think HR is there for you.

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Post ID: @nme+M8yENCw

'Union Dues = 2% of your salary

Holiday Bonus = one weeks pay = 1/52 = 2% of your salary'

was originally posted here ---> @M8eUsYo-hdj

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