Thread regarding Alliance Data Systems Corp. layoffs

To the rude poster btw.. HUH OF COURSE BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES PREDICT their financial future even 20 yrs in advance. HELLO
YOU CAN BE THAT...
well maybe you are because they love to employ folks that dont critically think
The entire retail industry knows its failing!!
Go take a drive you can see it for yourself
Brick and mortar store are dwindling
Look i cant with you no more.go bCk to school
Happy new year btw

Oh believe .me i worked on ads account for many years. The waste is unbelievable
Cant go into much detail but just as ads sees fraud accounts.. well their vendors that they use can vouch theyve probably seen some questionable transactions
Them ipads were for sale at the silent auction
Looks like the same ones they should of sent back to their vendor for warranty issues.

“Upper management knew 15-10 years in advance this was going to happen and their plan has always been to steal the bulky phones and terrible half-ply toilet paper for themselves” has got to be among the wilder conspiracy theories I have seen on this board.

Like when i made the toilet paper post that they took down and even made an email apologizing to employees for such a nasty health hazard
Well... i wouldnt be surprised if they were stealing the toiletry supplies and taking them home. They being (upper mgt).
Westerville location im talling abt btw

etcl ads inc
Is ALLIANCE DATA.. SO THE LEASE CANT BE UP
they are just leasing or selling it
I seen the buyers
Tell me im wrong that
etcl ads inc isnt aka alliance data?

They should also investigate westerville location
I guarantee they been stealing for the last 2yrs. A few insiders knew for 2yr they were closing
I bet they got their fam members phones; all type of stuff written off on the company expense accounts etc.
Notice at the silent charity those ipads being auctioned off

Well no experience as you say?
Then get some. It may be a sacrifice but worth it.
Do you want the cow or the milk?
Gotta look at the big picture and there are many job websites you can go to
Cols is a good market place. Ads is a small to the equation of the city of cols.
I forsee ads becoming like schottensteins evolving into realty and out of the clothes/retail business.
They will continue firing..

I’m done with collections. After ads. What do other former ads employees go to after leaving if you have no college or experience anywhere else

They have health collectors too.. they make even more

To the worried person
Dont worry. Sometimes you have to sacrifice to get to your realization or self actualization like in maslows hierarchy of needs..
Well what im saying is you may loose $ in the short term but gain stability and even more money and less stress in the long term.
The saying.. they want the milk instead of the entire cow.. well we have to match our desires and skills with what best makes u happy
Once that is done...you are on the right path
Ads is going to abruptly fire anyways
Why risk

But what if you have no background college at all? And can’t take the time away from work to get college? In my position I need to work full time. What type of healthcare are you saying. I can’t find anything making 20 dollars plus an hour and the same vacation offered. I have no experience in anything else. I refuse to take a pay cut if I don’t have to. I’d rather stay at ads in this collections than to go somewhere else and do the same thing. I can’t fathom leaving until I find something that matches how much I make now and paid time off offered. But I want out of this collections career. But I still want to make good money. Any suggestions would be great!

For the posting in collections
I would say, health!!! Anything with that.
Thats where the opportunity is at.
Leave anything retail alone.. bad industry especially today

To the poster below.. i was at a major corp for a.longtime. i cant go into detail too much but lets say we made ads look poor.
I am telling folks this to let them know to leave
Why waste your precious time at a company that has no respect for you? You cant get time back.
The world would not stop if ads went out of business and if u think that way then you have more unattended psychological issues that may need attention. Life is short. Its wrong and should be criminal to not tell their employees something.
Get mad at them not me. There should be more regulations against this
Yes there is a way to fire folks..
Many big companies tell their employees in advance sorry you invested your time into a sorry place that has no respect for you

Hello, I’m just wondering with all the layoffs and changes, what might be a good fit for a new job outside of collections? I’m looking to do something else. My only background is collections for 10 plus years and the reason I stay is the money is so good. What are others doing that decide to leave? Thank you.

I like the guys that keep thinking they are such detectives with the refrigerators.

Like the rest of us can't see what's going on by noticing the following:
380+ people being laid off
Clients backing out
More off shoring
A hiring freeze
Elimination of roles
No back filling
Stretch roles being offered as opposed to actual roles

We notice. I get that some people can switch jobs every thirty days and feel great and on top of thr world. For others, they have been there for twenty years. That is terrifying to switch jobs after spending that much of their life in a comfort zone at a company that had treated them pretty well and has built tons of relationships. Is it the best job? No. But it's comfortable and easy....or it could be the hours, location, personal situation or something else that is keeping them hanging on.

Don't make people feel like id–ts for being scared of their future. A lot of people have wonderful work ethic and loyalty and stepping out of a company is a huge deal to them.

Be compassionate.

If you can't be, you're just as sh–ty as the people you're complaining about being corporate a–holes.

Moving property in and out of different names is significant to your job. Like my grampa estates there are several name changes over 100 yrs. One going to one family member to the next.. its significant as in it can pin point a timeline of significant changes.
So easton is owned by loyalty cir. Thats the company. July 2018 was a significant year and 2017 for ads.. thats probably when they were given heed to start switching stuff around bcs they got word $$ going or it was time to keep switching bcs someone was stealing.
In other words they knew about the layoffs well in advance.

to the guy about the leasing possibly.
i came from a major billion dollar global company and they moved us about 6 miles down the street.
After the move they positioned work from home as this cool thing (teally a slick way to fire), anyways about 6 yrs after the move, everyone got fired.
I kept telling folks they are shutting down. They were failing to take care of basics like cutting the grass,landscaping,etc. Folks thought i was crazy welp i was right.
Now at westerville i started noticing the bathrooms and refrigerators and they laughed again and look what happened.. they are closing.
Little things like that are red flags.

If the company can't afford to lease a few buildings that means they are running out of cash and would need to take a loan. The only reason to move people, instead of layoffs is perhaps they are hoping/planning to get more work/contracts sometime in the near future. If they don't and cash runs out then they would have no choice but to make people cuts. I don't work for this company but that's how most companies work.

All the good folks are leaving or actively looking. Whomever is over HR should be fired when the dust settles based on how incompotently this has all been handled. It's comical to announce two extra holidays as an answer to retaining people, and then take it back.

This may go in a textbook someday on how not to handle layoffs.

@12S7S4A6-2ltl - Can't argue with ignorance, speculation and fear-mongering, which is what many on this board seem to get off on. No alternative facts please. Prediction wasn't correct, provided no source (as the OP here did) and simply incited fear and anxiety in many of the associates who come here for factual updates (which was likely the point).

Even more insulting was this person coming back to this thread and doing a victory lap claiming they told us so. You chose your mindset, you want to live in fear for the next 5 years, feel free, but I won't live that way. You don't like working for ADS? Great, you at least know your job is safe in the near-term and can pursue other opportunities.

NO THEY WERE CORRECT look at other companies that moved their employees to other locations its a given in the next 5 yrs the workforce there will be drastically reduced
this was a key moment in the history and demise there.
had nothing been posted about 1.7.20 they would of abruptly fired again like they did in october

@12S7S4A6-2sfu - You weren't correct about your prediction about 1/7. No jobs were cut, and the closure of both sites will save an enormous amount of Op Expense, which in turn should decrease the chances for any additional layoffs (at least in the near term). I am much more at ease today about our (and my personal) future than I have been at any point since October 23rd.

I posted the 1.7.20 to warn folks but it fell on deaf ears. They bashed and laughed at me.
If i never warned folks they may of abruptly fired like they did last time in October. At least i gave folks a warning
i tell because i wish everyone the best. Arm yourself with knowledge

@@12S7S4A6-1kgo, your post was beautifully written and very timely. Sadly, for those that needed to see it, it likely fell on deaf ears. It would be wonderful for those executive leaders to get in front of us. Today's announcements were more about saving face because of the information that has been leaked. I would imagine that it was not originally intended to be announced today. While I do not agree with how this information is being leaked (meaning on this site), someone is at least being transparent, which is more than can be said for leadership. This is not the Alliance Data of old. Sadly, we have become a company that no one knows or recognizes anymore. Ethics and Integrity have become a thing of the past and have been replaced with selfishness and a need to save face. Right now, we need a glimmer of hope, something to hold onto to let us know that we are going to be ok. But instead, we have been left with suspicion, rumor and a feeling that no one cares about us anymore. Taking away things does not do anything to inspire confidence that we are going to be ok. What it does is let is know that we are far from ok.

In the end, what will be will be and hopefully the "right" thing will be done by anyone that is impacted by a RIF or those impacted by the facility closures that are not able to get work elsewhere.
At some point, it would be nice to see us go back to being a true Best Place to Work. Right now....we are anything but that.

Looking a lot like OP was on the money

About if they own anything it was significant in regards to the dudes original post stating the lease was up q1. They are just simply saying hey there lease isnt up because ads essentially owns that bldg under another pseudo name. Thats all
But yes hostile workplace and employees or at least on thjs board

Can’t believe the amount of infighting I’m seeing over whether the original post is accurate because people can’t agree whether ADS owns or leases Westerville [they lease], as if that’s the sole determining factor in why they’d close it and relocate associates.
Come back here after Thursday and let us know how that big visit meeting goes...

stop trolling go to original post tell me its wrong.
schrock is ads etcl whatever
and broad is office city
thats not refutted
stop trolling. info is there for everyone to see and i also see name changes in 2017/2018
transactions, from various differant county / federal sites which is FACTS
gosh happy new year i was smart enough to leave that mess when i realized the crookedness

In response to the post I copied below....ETCL Westerville ADS is Elm Tree Funds dba (doing business as). If you notice on the auditors website through the transaction history the name has changed since 2014... please educated yourself before posting your uneducated, uninformed misinformation.

verbatim @ the original post waaay below (mr. 20 yrs of service) poster .. for why im not sure because as soon as i realized the crookedness i left anywho... this is exactly what was originally posted many hrs ago .. tell me this is inaccurate???? this is facts if its on the county auditor site. hello.
Ok westerville is owned by etcl ads inc
This new company name was established april 2017

The lights must be on but nobody is home.

Yes, the auditor’s website says Office City. Office City is the parcel (formerly a shopping center) that the Broad St. Facility is located. Casto, one of Columbus’ largest property management businesses, owns Office City.

I typed this next part real slow so you could understand...ADS owns no real estate anywhere. All sites are leased from property management companies (Casto-aka Office City, Wallace-Ackley, Elm Tree Funds, etc.). If you do not understand what a property management firm does, please use your time wisely by using the internet to look it up or go get a library card and potentially try to read some items (called books or reference materials) that are located within. Please stop posting the uneducated, uninformed and un-researched misinformation.

verbatim @ the original post waaay below (mr. 20 yrs of service) poster .. for why im not sure because as soon as i realized the crookedness i left anywho... this is exactly what was originally posted many hrs ago .. tell me this is inaccurate???? this is facts if its on the county auditor site. hello.
Ok westerville is owned by etcl ads inc
This new company name was established april 2017

I see a pattern of shifting names and moving $ bcs they are tanking. Its so clear.they knew this 10 yrs ago
As for dude saying the lease is up thats incorrect- they essentially own schrock.= rd /
too bad that company doesnt have the decency to tell their valued employees

Auditor site says broad st is owned by office city
Thats facts.

Thats what i was stating ads owns property but some of them u der differant pseudo names essentially.
Facts are facts not from your experience
Thats not busineds or businesses that do right honestly.

So not to confuse those that post inaccuracies and provide supporting facts...check out the link below

https://www.castoinfo.com/retail/portfolio/ohio/office-city/

Just one piece to support the post below.

ADS owns no properties as of The end of 2019. The only property that was ever owned was Rio Rancho and that was only because of the Victoria’s Secret agreement in 2014. That property was sold and leased back in late 2019 (for 10+ years I think). They now lease all properties. It is financially beneficial for ADS to lease rather than own. Broad St is leased from Casto. Westerville is from Elm Tree (thus the ETCL WESTERVILLE ADS...the name they use as the owner) as recent as 2014 and prior to that it was Continental Realty. Easton Campus has two different landlords with multiple names (set up that way when it was built over the course of a few years). Reynoldsburg is leased from two different landlords because of two different buildings...one is Wallace-Ackley.

Yes, you can cruise the auditor’s website, but before you start spouting out false information you should research before setting your so-called facts (false company names, etc.).

I left ADS Within the past 5 yers after many years of service and have knowledge on what I stated above as I worked hand-in-hand with the facilities department on many different initiatives. I still stay in touch with current and former associates that I grew to know and become friends with over the years. It is terrible on what has happened recently in the past few months but it happens everywhere. Pull yourself up by the boot-straps and move on with life. You will never stop the ways of business.

Now the questions are why foes ads have all these buildings and they are owned by fictious business names #facts
Go on government auditor website plug in address it will show u

Hello?.hello? Is there anybody in there?
#1 this post is incorrect
Ads owns the westerville. Location
Go to the public records government site its free

Tax laws and loopholes have been around since the beginning. Nothing new here.

What difference does it make who owns the building? It’s just a component of the business. A business needs electricity, it that doesn’t mean they “have” to build their own power plant.

When it is more favorable to the bottom line to “own” the building then companies will do so. Apparently today it is a better tax situation to let someone else own the building and then pay rent.

Kinda like the car you lease instead of owning. You do it because it is cheaper and maybe it also covers maintenance etc that you don’t need to pay. Doesn’t make it evil.

companies have layoffs but they dont do it in such a disgusting manner
you have to see things from all sides
use a fresh pair of eyes

I think it’s awful about the layoffs, but some of you have no idea what you are talking about. Huntington, Chase, Nationwide, State Farm, and many others nearby, have all had layoffs. Does that mean they are criminals and it’s a pyramid scheme too?