Thread regarding Northwestern Mutual layoffs

@rb there sure are a lot of white men in generations and military veterans ERGs. But that doesn't fit your biased narrative.

@1fm
As an individual formerly a part of FPME:

Self-segregation is fairly well documented -- as much as people don't want to talk about it -- especially in tech. Americans prefer Americans, Indians prefer Indians, Chinese prefer Chinese. The issue is Indians prefer Indians; more than Americans prefer Americans, which results in an eventual slide of tech leadership and promotion opportunities leaning more Indian depending how mature of an organization it is.

I am sure the split was done unconsciously, which in my opinion, makes it all the more hilarious. It is proof that we all see color either whether we like it or not.

I wish NM would hire more Americans, there are a lot of college grads out there chomping at the bit to get an opportunity to work in their own country. Also that American (white) managers wouldn't be so eager to prove how racist they aren't by giving the first foreigner they interview a job. There are black, hispanics, and natives more than qualified, that have a degree from an American institution.

This whole thread just made me realize that with the reorg fpme was literally split into two separate groups, Indian and white

@xh you're going to be getting an Adios! card soon buddy.

There may or may not be a ton of screenshots of how certain individuals are being promoted over others. I do not have any, but I may have seen some.

@xh I say we email dude and share all our experiences of being passed over, treated poorly, or laid off while the DEI clubs got promoted. And, I find it funny that the su-k ups come on here to show their bosses how cool they are.

And, before you judge, I'm a 32 year old black male that worked in ICS. I was laid off with a few others, only to find some of the Alphabet Warriors got promoted.

Don't join their clubs and get let go. That's how NM works these days. 168 years, at this rate they won't last ten more. Between FRs getting pi---d and leaving, and more EEO filings that will follow, they are going to turn the tower into luxury condos.

'Belonging' is the new buzz word that is also being used at Universities which had to shed themselves of DEI offices. You'll see a lot of 'Belonging and Inclusion'. It's not surprising that a business would change 'Inclusion' to 'Impact'.

AH has a new title. Vice President Belonging and Impact. Can’t imagine why they changed the title…. We don’t discriminate…it’s just belonging and impact. What a joke.

So many under qualified racist fragile white men on this site. Appreciate the the bi--hing though, keeps me on the up and up what this incompetent leadership team is up to next. keep up the good work, maybe you can lead the trash pile when it's all said and done with all your DUI hires.

Wow, a lot of fragile white men here. All of McNulty's other jobs lasted less than 1 year. He's been at NM for 20 years in two stints (2003-2016, and 2017-2025), so if he was qualified, he would have been promoted already, as DEI was not really a thing in the aughts.

@s3 Warned by who? Please elaborate.

The EEOC should subpoena all of the Senior Director and VP roles that were given to women and minorities without even posting the job. An instant victory in this case. The company was already being warned about the excessive number of white males being laid off.

The comment below is well-intentioned but ignores how this actually works and it's more than just edge cases. There are unspoken limits on how many white males you can hire onto a leadership team. No one writes it down, but leaders get quiet pressure from above about their team’s makeup and public praise when they add diversity.

If you think leaders aren’t pushed to avoid hiring more white males once they already have one or two, that’s just not how it plays out. Competence matters most, but the incentive to choose a slightly less experienced but diverse candidate is very real. This is the actual day-to-day dynamic.

This thread is immensely sad. I’m sure this company has had edge cases but historically / overall it takes care of its employees and provided opportunities that bigger companies wouldn’t never dare to even consider. The narrative that white men somehow are systemically being denied opportunities because ERGs exist is false. It screams fragile ego and lacking ambition - go get a job somewhere else if you aren’t vibing with your manager (just like everyone else).

More proof: When a department newsletter congratulates the 17 individuals who got promoted and 16 of them are females.

There is a lot of proof. None of the ERG's are for white males and the answer from company leaders is you can be an "ally" as if a white male is a second-class citizen and you should accept that. SARE, WIT, HI-TEC, and many other racist and s-xist programs also exist and are promoted within the walls of NM. They also give additional benefits and perks to so-called underrepresented advisors in the field under the guise of equality. These are just a few examples. A lot of people have a lot more specific examples that they should send to the EOCC or the plaintiff's attorney.

Discrimination can be tough to prove, but hopefully some good will come from this. I have 2 spreadsheets from 2 of the layoff groups in 2017 but there were more groups than that. Those spreadsheets totaled about 800 impacted employees and included employee age. Of those 800, 61% were over 50 and 80% were over 40. NM should be forced to post all the spreadsheets online.

Hats off to him! Wish someone had the courage from B&P capability too.

This makes sense why most of HR fled the company recently. They knew this was coming and they knew they were in the wrong. How does this look that NM is refusing to cooperate with an investigation and subpoena? This is bad. Really bad.

I bet the person who brought forward the lawsuit is a frequent commenter on this page.

Can’t wait to see all the reasons why he wasn’t qualified 😂

@cp I found him!

I know some sort of discrimination in NM exists. I was told by two managers that their boss told them "the kind" of individual that they needed to hire. And I have 2 friends that feel that they were passed over for promotions and opportunities based on their age. I believe the company posted a SARE stat that they were rather proud of where more than 60% or so of promotions went to women for a given time period. But whether this favoritism is rapant/mandated in some sort of systematic way? Who knows?

I don't know about anyone else, but I am getting sick of this segmenting and grouping of people into race, gender, ethnicity, etc. I'm not naive enough to believe that racism or other ism's don't exist, but it seems we have strayed away from the reasons the company exists, to help clients and make money. We have far too many other problems to deal with like underwriting issues, client web site, data, etc. And too many costly mistakes like LearnVest, opening New York offices, the continual pouring of money down McKinsey and other consultants throats to name a few.

We have a great product and a very talented Field - I feel we need to focus on the core first (fix any and all issues with PLI) and institute changes that will rebuild the culture.

AH is one of the most repulsive people at the company with her offensive and illegal beliefs. Does Mark or his attorney have a way to send evidence to them? Many of us have a ton of evidence that we can help his case. This lawsuit really needs to go to class action status on behalf of all W/M employees past and present.

Finally! The company was illegally saying you needed 25% of interviewees to be “diverse” and mandating this even if you had qualified candidates. People like SR and LD were big offenders. So glad to see this finally be made public and in court. The company went way too far and it’s good to see it is getting noticed and reported

I am surprised looking at the org charts, they are filled with same race and if you can manage good interpersonal relationship with your manager you are promoted. Unfortunately there are so many studious people being thrown under the bus because of these favoritism’s. The legacy of mother mutual is tarnished by the people with fake resumes and experiences.

It's finally happening! ...Just saw a few new director-level postings for the DEI dept, too. Disgraceful!

Not surprised at all. I know several individuals who left NM because of this blatant s-xism. I hope they get what they deserve.

I'm surprised someone actually did it. People on here have been talking about filing federal complaints for ages.

@a3 Are you kidding? This company is a jammed to the gills with brown faces

Most recent CEOs were named Tim, John, Ed, James and Edmund. Seems like straight white guys are doing fine.

Don't act like we all don't know plenty of people who were chosen for promotion when someone who was more qualified should have gotten it. I guarantee that it's a non-zero number of times where DEI was invoked instead of purely going by the person's skills.

Don’t know the specifics of Mark McNulty’s claim but in general, white men seem to be doing alright at NM.

Here's a idea - can we stop laying off good workers while we hold on to overpaid, useless figureheads? The DEI back and forth is getting us nowhere fast. We should be more concerned about having a functioning enterprise. We barely do now, and the cracks are showing more clearly with each poor layoff decision and every pointless restructuring.

Seriously? More like the only people they promote/hire are white, males!