After seeing so may posts on here about for people getting fired for coffee badging now I’m confused. I understand people who would only swipe their badge and turnaround immediately, but si don’t get why people who stay here for 6 hours would be considered coffee badging. I try to stay at least 6 hours at the office when I go in, but sometimes I like to spend only the mornings there and come back during lunch. If I do this wouldn’t get fired?
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@t2 its a combo of computer login time and badge swipes. there are 2 buckets to gauge activity. this was told to me by someone in information security. can someone in hr on here validate this
Wait, how exactly does TIAA track hours? Mouse moving time span? Facial recognition?? RFID tracking of badge location?
@sj and yet people are being fired for coming in that much and more.
@rq my understanding is that the minimum hour requirement per week in office is 15 hours. 3x5 = 15 and that could be less when there are holidays and PTO taken.
@nw the number of hours you are in the office isn't in the calculation at all and there is no set policy for 8 hours/day 24 hours/week. It only speaks to the days. So if you swipe, you have your day accounted for in the calculation.
@mt anyone who will cheat to work around company policies can’t be trusted. If she worked for me I’d fire her tomorrow.
@cs you are expected to be in the office at lest 3 days a week. 3x8 hours is 24. The expectation doesn’t say 3 half days or 3 partial days.
Stop being so lazy.
@k9 one item you are forgetting in your calculations know it all: holidays and PTO. many use PTO to raise the average. plus, at the director level & above there is substationally more leeway.
@mt oops, I mean she doesn’t do it every night, just on the nights she is trying to get two badge swipes in one visit.
Somehow the woman I know who badges in before midnight every night, stays for 10 minutes, then badges out right after midnight has not stopped doing this for a couple years now. I don’t know that her manager has ever received an email about it, and it’s not my place to tattle on her to HR. She knows she’s playing with fire, but she just doesn’t care. I can’t even dream of that level of non-anxious. I almost envy it.
@gj That schedule will bring you to a 2.0 8 week average and get the attention of HR. Enjoy the beach house, you'll have a lot more free time to spend there.
Stay at least until 5pm.
And be happy you can work 9-5. This is a luxury in America
Just come in at 9, take a lunch break and leave at 5:30-6 like all good, diligent worker. And come to the office at least 4 times a week to avoid any issues with the HR.
And stop whining already.
You should spend at least 4 days in the office and work at least 6 hours, but ideally 8-9.
Stop with the lazy logic already
JP Morgan mandats 5 days a week, Pi-pco - 4 day a way.
Be happy you work for TIAA and get some of the best retirement benefits I! today's financial services. This constant whining is annoying.
@ha I’m in marketing and my manager has gotten emails about others in my team who have gone below 3.0 average. Definitely don’t go less than 3 days in office average if you want to stay off radars.
@gj so you’re working 2 days in office for a long stretch of time? My average dipped to 2.8 once and I got an email from HR. What business area are you in where your average is a 2 and you’re not getting HR emails?
I’m not concerned about my badging in hours. I come in at least three days a week and stay between 6-7 hours. I should be fine. BUT I have also logged in everyday for the last six months at least just to keep my head above water and to try to stay on top of things. Weekends, holidays, PTO… and I’m not the only one. Many of my coworkers are doing this too because we’re all drowning in work while they let go of talented people. Maybe HR could pull that report before sending me more wellness emails
@OP Here is how I've done it. This is a sample week and my commute is about 27 mins.
Monday: Work From Home
Tuesday: Office: 8:30 am to 5:30 pm
Wedneday: Office 8:30 am to 1 pm.
Thursday: Work from Home (or beach house for long weekend)
Friday: Work from Home (or beach house) 8 am to Noon. Afternoon off - 1/2 (note: I have 23 yrs of service).
there you have it. about 20 weeks a year I spend 4 day to 5 days at beach home if you count Mondays. My productivity is really high because I don't have people interrupting me all day.
i really some of you are rolling your eyes and calling this BS but I have done this now for quite some time with no negative represcussinons.
@cm The Post By @bx is actually nearly correct. what they seem to emhasize in the post if i am understanding it correctly is to come into the office every 2 weeks for a super stretch day of like 9 hours so that means that if you are averaging roughly 2.5 hours a day, that will raise the average to at least 3. it is also a double standard that many on the ELC are not held to the same standard as the rank and file.
agreed
@cn before Covid I would be in the office 6 hours then do 2-6 more form home that evening. This was back when I had to work nights and some release weekends.
There is NO MINIMUM hour per day in office, it doesn’t explicitly say anywhere in the code of conduct. Never has been. Until they add it the minimum hours in office shouldn’t matter as long as work gets done.
The minimum is 8 hours a day of work not where you work. For a company that uses hybrid flexibility as a “flex” to try to get “FRESH, Young Talent” thy are shooting themselves in both proverbial feet with firing people for working within their flexibility and work life balance.
Where does it say the expectation is 24 hours minimum?
Spoiler: It doesn't say anywhere
Which again is why I cant understand why TIAA wont just officially state in the policy book instead of firing different people that have met the 3 day minimum
@c5 They are in 12 hours a week, when the expectation is 24 minimum. I don’t feel for them , they knew they were circumventing expectations.
@bx Wrong info...reports are generating to upper mgmt every four weeks when the 4 week average drops below 3....reports/emails to managers and employees are usually generated at the end of the month..
@OP Ask your manager and get it in writing...
Someone that I know had a colleague that was fired and he was getting four hours a day - in at 8 and left at noon. Essentially this every day. Three days a week in office, four hours each day and was fired. Not even a warning which is disgusting. Dude was getting his three days and was still fired.
Hey, but at least gas prices aren’t high with all the commuting and gridlock. Oh wait….
T and the Executive Committee members average 2-4 hours a week so as long as you are above 2 to 2.5 you should not get flagged too often. Always try to get in a 8-9 hour day every two weeks or so.
It’s wild to me that so much time is being spent on this. In my mind there are so many other things that need the focus but nah, let’s continue to micromanage and see how many people tenured, experienced, and knowledgeable people we can encourage to leave. Enjoy!
@an My manager meant it more like I should build a bit of a buffer in, keep it around 3.5, just in case there’s a week I can’t make it in 3 days and my average drops below 3.0. She meant well, but it sounds like there’s not much she can do if I drop below 3.0 and HR flags me.
@ad If you're in the office exactly three days a week you are in 100% compliance with the current standard. 3.0 will absolutely not raise a red flag with HR.
There are definitely different standards for different people. Some people I know are consistently under 3 days in-office but it’s ok because of who they know. I’m in for 8+hours for 3 days max and my manager warned me that 3.0 average is a minimum, not a max and I need to increase above 3.0 to stay off of HR’s radar. She was likely saying this for my own benefit because she’s not wrong, but the fact that they would even tap me on the shoulder for doing minimum 24 hours out of 40 in office while some favored people barely do 6 hours a week in office? Long story short, it’s different for different people.
No idea! A little birdie told me it's different for different people! Favoritism and Nepotism exists in these aspects as well and it's being overlooked for some folks.
Yeah I’m confused as well. Does it mean I can go in as early as 6 am and leave by 2PM and I’d be ok? Or would that still be considered “ coffee badging”?
I just wish TIAA wasn’t so ambiguous about the requirements. Not even sure if they’re still firing people for this as I haven’t heard anything recently.