Thread regarding L3Harris Technologies layoffs

PIP is a tactic to try an turn around a persons work before firing. We can't just fire people. Likely your boss wants to get rid of you but the company red tape won't allow it. So you can try to do better at your job, or start looking for a new one.

I was 2 yrs shy of 67 (retirement age) and they tried to place me on PIP; I refused to sign the paperwork. So I decided to leave the now corrupt company I gave 35 years of my life to. If you can afford a lawyer and you feel the PIP is unjust, document EVERYTHING and rest assured you will win your case if they let you go. My coworker won her case.

@qp Sounds like the Clifton way. Can’t tell you how many people who were RIF’d had previously made complaints about harassment. If you want to see HR get flustered mention it - they’ll deny of course but are at least smart enough to realize a lawsuit could be coming if enough people catch on

I am sure I was going to be placed on one as well, but I quit before and let everyone know the reason. Leave with your dignity and put them in a bad position. It’s been over a year and I wish I would have left earlier. Allow their “favorites” to pick up the slack. Bunch of id--t managers.

@11t - where there’s a whip there’s a way and the beatings will continue until the attitudes improve

Clifton must be giving out PIPs like candy. I got put on a PIP and was told my "merit increase" will be delayed untill the goals towards my improvement have been met. At that time, my performance will be re-evaluated.
So I got zero increase and put on probation. And tommorw is Thursday. 😳

I was just put on a PIP after formally complaining to my leadership that my "salary adjustment" of 2% was retaliatory and biased against me.
Clifton -

I agree with @qb. Use your PTO and sick time, sooner rather than later. Unfortunately, the company is nickeling and dimeing you. So get the CV out there and flee the sinking ship

@k9 I had a manager who tried to do this to me years ago. I was a top performer and loved and respected by my customers. I was honest and did not engage in shady/unethical activities which my manager (director) and other director+ level "leaders" were doing. I rapidly turned around red programs to green and my customers (big primes) would always pick up the phone or return my call/email asap... my leadership could not get the customers on the phone when they tried.. I could call the same customer/person 5 minutes after my management couldn't get a hold of them and they would pick up immediately when they saw the caller id.

There is nothing you can do better in this situation. You are on a PIP because your leadership has failed you and is corrupt. They are upset and jealous of your success because they couldn't do it. They are more upset that you have high character and will do the right thing rather than engage in their unethical behaviors.

Get a new role and quit without notice.

You are loved by many but unfortunately not by your unethical management.

Sorry to hear about your situation. Your "career" at L3H is over. This isn't about improvement. The PIP is designed to humiliate you and then kick you out without severance. Please start looking for a new role and keep your search to yourself. Use as much vacation/sick as possible to aid you in your search or work on your mental health and well being. Take all personal items from your office/work location home. Secure a better job outside L3H. Quit with no notice and enjoy your new role, life and freedom.

God Bless You!

I am so sorry you're going through this but like the others have, you are most likely going to be terminated, since looking at the current situation, the company does want to pay severance. Start looking for new jobs quickly. If they don't let you take PTO, I think the better option would be to leave and actively apply.
I've been on a similar boat where I actually resigned, and found out my very last week that I was going to be placed on a PIP for no other reason than the fact that my manager was holding a vendetta against me, even though I met all milestones.
Just try to understand from this situation what you could have done better, so you could apply it to your new job. Good luck, and know that it's not your fault.

@OP

PIPs are just another underhanded move by this shady company to push employees out. They might place you on a PIP, shift you off to a consulting firm, or lay you off without hesitation. And the whole "unlimited PTO" scheme is just a sleazy way to avoid paying out unused time after they get rid of you.

Since the merger, this company has become one of the worst places to work.

PIP is another way of laying you off without paying you severance.

I say get your case together, consult an attorney and start taking PTO. The decision has already been made to let you go in the next 3-6 months. It is a new tactic L3Harris is using these days to trim the staff without paying Severance pay.

If they refuse to approve PTO, as some others said in the comments, get a doctor's note, and start taking some rest time, and look for a new Job.

At the end of the day, we are all at will; they can get rid of you or me any time they want, but they will go the PIP route so they can have some document under their belt in case you decide to sue.

A former colleague was put on a PIP a couple of years ago. While on it, his manager refused to approve ANY vacation time. By the end of a calendar year, he only took 3 hours of vacation time while the rest of his department was approved for multiple weeks. Clearly it was blatant age discrimination since he was much older that his peers in that department and at the top of the pay scale.
HE DOCUMENTED EVERYTHING INCLUDING EMAILS.
He pursued litigation against the company and, in a very short time, (While not able to disclose the amount as part of the agreement), got a VERY good settlement including a cash settlement for lost wages and punitive damages which covered his legal expenses. He was also able to keep health benefits at the company's expense until he was eligible for Medicare.
In other words, he left with money and benefits.
His manager was very quietly fired sometime later.
This happened in Clifton.
Lesson learned: make sure you DOCUMENT EVERYTHING.

You never completely recover from a PIP. Even if you somehow work through it, the record of it will never be expunged. And any future upward mobility will be compromised by it.
Look at what you may have done wrong and take that lesson with you to your next job. But, don't waste another minute with L3Harris. If you're sure it was unjust, make that your stated reason for leaving the company. Respond to their P.I.P. with your answer: G.F.Y.

@c5 also a reply to my own post. If you are told you need to just resign, that's what the HR bot that keeps saying it wants you to do. Do not resign stick it to them by getting off it and getting auto promoted next time. Also have seen that, it's a Greenville special.

Yeah you can get off of it , I helped a few engineers get off of PIPs. Their manager came to me to help them get off of it as they had young families. The manager above the manager put them on it. You can always get off a PIP.

We don’t know your situation but in a majority of cases a PIP is a way to allow you to find a new job without being terminated. I did work with one guy who had been a high performer but for some personal reasons his performance went to cr-p for 6+ months. After receiving the PIP he went back to being a high performer and was fine after that. You need to evaluate why you were put on a PIP and decide if you want to do what is necessary to become a strong performer.

L3H is terrified of employment lawsuits, so they won’t fire anyone for performance reasons without doing a PIP first (layoffs are job eliminations, which are legally different). Most PIPs I’ve seen, though not all, were deserved, so you need to seriously ask yourself if you think you are meeting expectations - only you know the real answer to this. It is possible to recover from a PIP but most likely this is a sign your boss wants to fire you for performance reasons and this is just the first step in that process. It’s also possible you’re in the tiny minority where the PIP is not deserved, meaning your boss is a vengeful psychopath or highly incompetent. Either way, it’s probably a good idea to start looking elsewhere.

While not an automatic termination, a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP) is a serious indicator that your job is at risk and often serves as a formal paper trail for firing. PIPs are used to document unmet expectations, and although they can be a genuine chance to improve, they are frequently used to justify termination or encourage resignation. It's better to resign than to get fired. One of those two things is going to happen to you. Accept it.

I've known a lot of people that were on a pip, and none of them survived the rif that followed. If I were you, I would do two things, do everything you can to satisfy the pip, and discreetly look for and secure another job as quickly as you can. Do not tell anyone at L3 that you are looking, and when you find something, leave immediately without notice.
In spite of what they may have told you, they ARE going to fire you. Let that sink in. They are already looking for your replacement. The PIP is just to give you a false sense of security and buy themselves some time while they find your replacement. I've watched these people in action for two decades +. Repeat; you are going to get fired.

I'm sorry to hear that, I'm sure you were blindsided when it happened. One thing about a PIP if you make it through (and you probably will) is that it comes with the stipulation that they can get rid of you at any time with giving you a reason for it plus the bonus (for them) of not having to pay you severance of any kind.
My advice is to work through your PIP since you still have a position and income, BUT:
Start looking for a new position IMMEDIATELY before you get blindsided again. Also, don't bother giving them two weeks notice either - trust me, they would not give you any.

Officially the stance was that RIFs don’t target people on a PIP. But I was part of convos behind closed doors when the people being decided to be RIFed were those on the PIP. With the timeline, I hate to say it but I would start looking

@a1 - it always flows downhill, your boss probably got yelled at, you got yelled at, now you have to yell at the guy doing the real work.

I was placed on a PIP and I had to yell at the Chinese developer that I got through salary entourage who was doing my work for me to perform better.