SF biggest legal problem is that it is underpaying it's employees for all kinds of roles. This is at the leadership level across departments but is also a huge problem in claims. In many areas in claims they have para-professionals doing prof-tech work. So much has been shifted down to CAs to handle and the pay and job descriptions have not changed. Anyone can go out and print off the job description. I would encourage every single employee to take it to their immediate supervisor and show them where SF is not following it's established HR job description. They will get away with it until people really start to push back. They are fully aware of the problem. Ask for a meeting with HR and they have to give it. Keep and show them examples of you having to go way outside of your job description and not being compensated for it. Keep a log or journal. SF is robbing people blind on top of that with all the mandatory overtime doing work that should be done at 20-30% higher pay and at different job level. SF loves to give LDAs and not paying people. You work for a very immoral, unethical company run by id--ts that could care less about you. They will do anything to make a buck and at anyone else's expense or health.
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Right on dude, I love your style. Agent here, I put in 5-10 hrs a week, 8 of those doing some personal stuff, daytrading ect. If the rest of the folks are not smart enough to get to this level that’s on them for not making that happen. Let them live with that, no sweat off my azzzz.
I call BS on @3erq-just made up fantasy. He is just regurgitating common complaints and placing them in the first person. Total poser.
Great example of leadership failure. Sorry for those that work with this zero-you deserve better.
I think we can all agree that SF doesn’t pay its minions a fair wage for the amount of work they do, but you’d have to be certifiably insane to suggest that SF doesn’t take care of its leadership.
I’ve been with SF for 22 years and I can confidently say that SF pays its leadership MORE than enough. How do I know? Because I’ve spent the last 16 of those 22 years in leadership.
If anything, we’re OVER paid when you consider what little work we actually do. Sure our schedules keep us very busy, but that’s only because we’re in meetings all day.
We all know those meetings rarely require any effort from us beyond dialing in and giving our opinion. And that includes the meetings where we’re the host. Yes, the meetings we host do require a little more effort, but not from us! That’s the beauty of having minions. They do all the work so we never have to worry about it.
I’ll be the first to admit that those of us in leadership have figured out how to play the game and work the system. And although our individual plays may be different, we all have the same set of goals:
- * Collect as many minions as you can
- * Train your minions to do everything for you so you never have to lift a finger
- * Always take full credit for all the great work your minions deliver
- * Always place full blame on your minions whenever things don’t go as planned
I’ve been in SF leadership for 16 years. I began playing the game in year 6. I’m always busy, yet I never actually do anything. It’s now been 10 years since I’ve even come close to putting in a 40 hour work week. I generally put in about 10 on average.
I’m sure you’re wondering how I’ve been able to get away with this for so long and why my leadership hasn’t done anything about it. If you’re wondering that, then you must be a minion. Because you wouldn’t have that question if you were in leadership. Instead, you would understand. Because all of us are playing the same game.
The vast majority of agents are trying to do it right. We get tired of seeing the cheaters paraded up on stage (a few months before they mysteriously leave State Farm and they reopen their office with another carrier.) But you know what? Customers lie to save money. Shocking, right? And when you call them on it, they just go to another agent with a slightly different story. And on those rare occasions when you call them on it and they decide to file a complaint----State Farm gives them what they want every single time.
You are one naive dude or perhaps one,of the dishonest ones? As I stated not all agents are purposely misclassifying business. But the ones who do, are creating problems for all. It is the very reason that the worst LR business that SF writes is added cars. Not business from competitors, but business from our existing customers/ agents. Good agents know this , your response tells me you sir, are the problem,
You sir are clueless. Agents are the glue holding this sht show together, fact. Do they work the system to max potential income? Yep, always have, just as you certainly play your little games to make your metrics look better than they actually are. It’s next to impossible in this technological age to not get caught and terminated for illegal/unethical actions. You should be a farmer for all the BS you throw around.
Mis-classification, especially intentional is a massive problem. It is not ethical, not fair and ultimately harms customers and agents that play it straight. Management tends to turn a blind eye under the guise of production is good.
Disagree. The biggest single legal issue facing the company is agents being allowed to deliberately break underwriting rules, and even laws in some instances, in order to maximize compensation incentives. A company that prides itself on data can't pretend it doesn't know when it's being cheated. The legal issue will arise when policyholders (who are the owners of the company) file a class action to recoup frivolously spent premium dollars.
@2nke yeah this is wrong on all levels. There is no secret COLA or company cars for management. My pension formula is the same as yours. My salary has not kept up with inflation the last few years either, averaging 1.5% raises while meeting and sometimes exceeding expectations. Claim TMs have the second worst job in the company after CA/CS. We are caught in the middle, have to put on a happy face and tow the line for the garbage decisions that are made while being demonized by our teams because we can't change it or make it any better. Place the blame where it belongs, at the CM level on up. I can't even get made at my SM anymore because they have no power to change or influence anything either.
Not sure how accurate you are? Everything you listed also applied to management too? If you would have just said “employees” you would be more accurate.
Think! Since 1980, SF never added a benefit to any employee below Team Manager. Everything that has been done is take away from the line workers. That's a fact! They took away, COLA, company car, pension, salary, and so on. Those of you who work under those conditions enable them. It's like abusive relationships and being an addict. Be free of that. Other companies are better at "keeping their promise."
Yea, they would be looting the Walmart and burning that mo-o down, caus , you know we have to get our reparations.
Ktg…what if someone said sad little black boy…..oh man… but that’s ok
It is probably true that you might have a legal issue - if you are performing the job - you may be entitled to the salary that is appropriate for that job. But the reality is - this is not THE BIGGEST LEGAL issue facing this company. But a class action from all the employees who performed the higher job without the additional compensation might be interesting! But the people who have experienced the issue - are still hoping to get ahead and be recognized - they won't sue or make waves.
Aside from the childish name calling that goes on within these threads I’ll say this. Management could not give 2 sh--s about who does what job, or which job description goes where. What they care about is getting the claim off their plate so their spreadsheet looks acceptable for the technocrats who preside over them.
Thing is -- I don't think OP is truly wrong.
A lot of things are trickling down from the prof/tech roles to the para roles. I see it a lot in production areas where they are trying to get the most work done by less expensive people.
Happens in the prof/tech space as well, but differently. It starts as "It'll be good for your development" but then the opportunities to advance somehow never happen, but more "hey, this is a fun project for you!" sure keep coming.
its the hostile working environment its allowing a small segment to create.
@pko - You are a sad wittle guy. Go back to Breitbart. No one will question your undying devotion to your orange god in that dump.
No law broken. OP will always be a CA.
How soon we forget. “ Landslide” is what the orange doofus used to describe his electoral college (although he doesn’t know what that is) victory—Biden won by same amount.
And this website has an issue with para-professional State Farm employees pretending to be labor law professors.
@dpk - Your incompetent orange lord and savior lost. Put on you big boy pants and get the h-ll over it. If you can't then take it to 4chan where the other losers hang out.
State Farm is no different than Letsgo Brandon. They love, steal and cheat as much as they can at the expense of their minions. They think they are so much better than anyone else when in reality they have a very dark and evil soul.
So long as State Farm pays the agreed upon rate that is at or above minimum wage, and compensates timesheet employees for any OT, they are within the bounds of the law on pay. If a salaried person chooses to work extra or takes on a larger role for the same pay as an LDA it's not a legal issue. If people feel like they are underpaid they can hit the red hot job market for something that pays more. You can believe State Farm's practices regarding pay are unethical but it's not a legal problem. If you see something illegal regarding pay please report it to the Department of Labor in your state.