Now they wanna point at Boeing for misleading them years ago but doesn’t that deny their obligation to actually do their job in the first place. I’m just saying, without FAA approval those planes would’ve never been up in the air. (I mean self certifying... Really???) Just seems like they need to admit they really messed up too. And Boeing should fire top execs and managers across the board if they wanna get past this. That would mean they would have to acknowledge their mistakes though...
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https://canadianaviator.com/160-max-flights-in-canada-since-grounding/
February 16, 2020
160 MAX Flights > In Canada Since The Grounding
Training and maintenance flights in Boeing 737 MAX aircraft since the fleet
was grounded all over the world in March of 2019. The aircraft have been
flown under exemptions granted by Transport Canada for flights without
passengers with specially trained crews. All three Canadian airlines that
own the Max aircraft.
Most of the flights have been proficiency hops for the instructors who will get
Line Pilots up to speed on the Max’s when they’re finally returned to service.
Some were Air Canada ferry flights to and from a storage facility at
Marana Arizona. Boeing has said it expects the MAX to be cleared for flight in
the summer of 2020 but the FAA has said it might be earlier than that in the
- S. Transport Canada has said it won’t rubber stamp the FAA recertification and
Will conduct its own assessment so the return to flight in Canada may be later.
@bzbe+13jxu2yr
@3xif+13k38AJQ
@1Urcb Yep!!!
@1Uagb It looks like the FAA and Boeing are doing their best to wipe their
Fingerprints from the Crime Scene
This is just one reason why Boeing is no longer fit to be Boeing
And The
FAA is no longer fit to be the FAA…
- “When people say I changed the culture at Boeing, that was the intent,
So it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm”
(Boeing CEO Harry Stonecipher, 2004)
As Just One Recent Example of the flagrant criminality of our Government watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTn-0BNPrzk
This Criminality Disease has infected all of our institutions and corporations the
Avarice pursuit of wealth and absolute control far beyond any reason can only be viewed as a form of insanity, in my view.
This new world order of Alternative Facts to explain away depravity will be the
Death of our nation and its corporations
This is why China executes Corrupt Officials in its Government and Corporations.
@2wmq+13jxu2yr @bzbe+13jxu2yr
@1azrt+12kPCm1T @2qxr+11CjeUhV
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/faa-faces-dilemma-over-737-max-wiring-flaw-that-boeing-missed/
We did not Miss it we did it deliberately to save a Dime…
Reference @Qvjp+12F13yzw
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-737max-united-arlns/united-wont-fly-737-max-until-after-summer-amid-new-approval-delays-idUKKBN2082A5
{The Wiring Bundles Issue} > Delay of certification?
“One key issue yet to be resolved is whether Boeing must separate
The two wiring bundles that may be too close together, which could lead
to a short circuit and crash if pilots do not respond appropriately.
Boeing said Friday it is still in discussions with the FAA about the issue.”
(Facts)
We laid the two bundles adjacent to each other as a cost saving measure.
The reason we gave for this was the engines are so proven so dependable
That we would never see a catastrophic failure resulting in a containment breach.
Dear Monkeys and Clowns, these are New Engines without a proven track record.
The FAA went along with this nonsensical reasoning, buffoonery? I think so.
Save a Nickel Save a Dime we haven’t got time for Engineering Standards of the
Past… This is about making money not being responsible said the buffoons!!!
Below is a Photo list of fleet failures mentioned by Ed Pierson in the news article
https://twitter.com/KathrynDiss/status/1228381508341313538/photo/1
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-15/ex-boeing-manager-says-one-in-25-737-max-had-safety-incident/11957634?section=business
Watch the interview with Ed at the above Http:
@3xif+13k38AJQ
@cthb+13jxu2yr
Cross Reference to @bzbe+13jxu2yr Related to @3xif+13k38AJQ {Management}
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200212005951/en
CUPE to Meet With Boeing Regarding 737 Safety
On Thursday February 13, 2020, CUPE representatives will visit
Renton, WA at the Boeing 737 Max final production facilities in
Renton, WA. The union leaders will be present to scrutinize, question
and remain active in all details relevant to any possible return to service
of this aircraft type within our respective systems.
Their going to Boeing for answers hahahah they won’t get ant truth!!!
https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers/faa-chief-outlines-possible-rethink-of-derivative-airliner-certification/136587.article
The FAA’s “changed product rule”
requires applicants to apply for a new type certificate for a “changed product”
if it decides that “the change in design, power, thrust, or weight is so extensive
that a substantially complete investigation of compliance with the applicable
regulations is required”.
Question: “Should the AOA disagree light be a required feature?”
FAA Acting Chief Daniel Elwell: “No. It is just a maintenance alert.
The AOA disagree light is only a service advisory.
- Check List Maintenance Alert.
1 call family to say good by
2 Call dozer to dig out Max
Profit First
https://theconversation.com/disasters-foretold-boeing-737-max-8-and-lac-megantic-130760
Liar
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/boeing-plane-certification-probe-began-before-second-crash-1.1230474
Clowns
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/senate-boeing-muilenberg-testimony-1.5339200
Buffoons
https://theconversation.com/trumps-deregulatory-record-doesnt-include-much-actual-deregulation-96161
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/cloneofchina-battles-coronavirus-outbreak-latest-200127233550044.html
No China / No China Orders
ND this
https://www.flightglobal.com/aerospace/faa-and-iata-optimistic-on-reception-of-737-max-review/136265.article
FAA and IATA optimistic on reception of 737 Max review
Regulators outside the USA have vowed they will not rely on FAA approval
And conduct their own reviews as they determine when to return Max aircraft
to service, including the European Aviation Safety Agency, which is still
Coordinating with FAA during the process.
The FAA’s executive director of international affairs Chris Rocheleau
tells Cirium that the multinational Joint Authorities Technical Review
(JATR) is “reassured” that the agency is conducting a thorough safety
review. The JATR, commissioned by the agency to review the initial
certification process of Max aircraft, includes aviation authorities from
Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Europe, Indonesia, Japan, Singapore,
the United Arab Emirates and representatives from the FAA and NASA
Boeing Stated on January 21 /2020
“we are currently estimating that the Un-grounding of the 737 Max
Will Begin During Mid-2020.”
The FAA has never set a timetable on when it would complete the safety
review on the grounded aircraft, but the industry had informally expected
the process would be completed by April.
(Opinion)
When the tide went out, it was discovered that Boeing and the FAA had no
Swimming trunks on and the world noticed the water was extremely cold.
{Text}
Scrutiny of the FAA’s safety review follows concerns about whether the
agency and Boeing during the initial certification process adequately studied
how pilots might respond to the automated flight control software created
for Max aircraft that has.
(Opinion)
Focus and deflect back onto the pilots not having Proper training in how to fly
The Boeing death machine
@1337AoWz
https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=93206
1/10/2020
FAA Statement on Boeing Emails
Hey The FAA is Hiring
https://www.aviationtoday.com/2019/06/03/wing-slat-track-woes-boeings-737-max-issues-mount/
https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=24574
WASHINGTON — The (FAA) proposes a $5.4 million civil penalty against
The Boeing Co. for allegedly installing nonconforming slat tracks on
Approximately 178 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, which Boeing subsequently
presented as ready for airworthiness certification.
Allegedly installing nonconforming slat tracks
Allegedly = Asserted but not yet proven
More double speak from the FAA… I swear we trained the FAA in Spin
@1dfzo
So what happens after midnight No Storks says the FAA
Their Nuts
Remember when an ATC had a stroke
https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/faa-overnight-shift-policy-air-traffic-controller-scare-59149644
watch this and you will see just how out of touch the FAA is
https://www.financialexpress.com/industry/boeing-737-max-plane-faa-says-no-timeframe-set-for-completion-of-work/1809743/
FAA says no timeframe set for completion of work
January 1, 2020 7:37PM
Testing of various types are being done on the Proposed Modifications to the
Max flight control system.
The process would continue in the coming weeks until certification is complete.
A senior airline official said test flight of MAX plane is likely to be done by the FAA
and the EASA (European Aviation Safety Agency) together in January, possibly in
the third week. Once the test flights are successfully completed.
Then it might take at least one month for certification process, the official added.
The airline is a MAX aircraft customer. Queries sent to Boeing, EASA and SpiceJet
Regarding MAX planes did not elicit any immediate response.
Dear @1agcv
So you’re a pilot, you know this for a fact. No you aren’t and you don’t.
That tells me, you most likely don’t work for Boeing and if you do / did
You are not in any of the engineering groups
Read the Facts before you make comments that don’t / can’t be backed up.
Can you point to engineering / pilot facts that would substantiate your claim?
Take MCAS out and the Max is a excellent aircraft that needs its own
Type Certificate.
Facts don’t care about your feelings
How can the FAA "certify" individual aircraft?
It's a fatal design flaw. The 737 MAX needs to be sc-apped for base metals. It has no future in the air.
https://www.airlive.net/the-faa-will-inspect-and-certify-all-400-boeing-737-maxs-coming-out-of-storage-before-they-are-delivered/
Dec. 29, 2019
The FAA will inspect and certify all 400 Boeing 737 Maxs
Coming out of storage before they are delivered
What about all the aircraft that were delivered and need to be retro fitted.
All aircraft need to be re-certified who’s in charge of this lot I hope it’s not Boeing.
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/house-leaders-demand-that-faa-answer-why-it-overruled-its-own-engineers-safety-concerns-about-boeing-737-max-1.606575
Published: November 8, 2019
Boeing settles initial Lion Air lawsuits for $1.2M apiece
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/463007-boeing-settles-initial-lion-air-lawsuits-for-12m-apiece-report
Lawyer Fred Wisner said, that out of the 17 claims he's handling
related to the crash, 11 have been settled.
The monetary amount might be higher in some instances as $1.2 million
Was for single victims with no dependents.
Despite the high monetary payout, ((High payout? Says who?))
Boeing did not admit to any wrongdoing for the plane crash.
IMO
Drunk Drivers have more accountability
The first wave of settlements happen after federal investigators discovered
earlier in the week that the safety inspectors in charge of
training the 737 Max pilots were "unqualified."
How can anyone be "qualified" when MCAS was not in the flight manual?
So true
We will survive this and be better off for it as we have other aircraft designs coming out in the near future that need to go through the same certification as the Max. No corners can be cut now or ever.
@2qxr amen
Then there’s Marketing and Sales driving Engineering
"To Be Honest"
Wings leaving WSI Incomplete, sent to 4-22
Aircraft pushed out the door of Final Assy. Incomplete
(Got to make Takt Time)
To Be Honest
It Makes My Blood Boil
Then there’s Marketing and Sales driving Engineering
MCAS - used in place of a type certificate, simulators and training
For the New Max Aircraft
Hip Hip for Greed and Dishonesty
Sell that load somewhere else
Criminals are always sorry after they get caught.
To commentor below: Don't come with that corporate propaganda and try to make it seem like an honest mistake. It has been reported many times by whistle blowers that it was due to pressure to cut cost. Cheap culture. Caused by greedy executives and board members.
To be honest it's all of our jobs to make sure the plane can fly. Somewhere that went wrong and we will figure it out in time. We don't work at Boeing to make planes fall out of the sky, what would be the point? Somewhere there was a deadline not being made and the problem got pushed into some other departments problem and safety went out the window. It makes since to me that the FAA and Boeing should be working together to make sure everything is GO. We-They-I got off track somehow and planes crashed. We will survive this and be better off for it as we have other aircraft designs coming out in the near future that need to go through the same certification as the Max. No corners can be cut now or ever. Nobody should ever die, but sometimes you got to take two steps back before you can move forward. Boeing should now more than ever know what safety means.
They need to give the company back to the engineers!!!
Who did we sell the FAA to? Do you know how much we paid for that?
Did Mr. T sell the FAA to Russia?
I hope we made up for the Max losses YTD.
Maybe we can still get some profit sharing for this year.
I get it, it's fun to hate on Boeing. But you work there. Because you work there, every last one of you are complicit. If you has a hair on your a– you would quit and leave, but you don't. Therefore, you are the worst type of complicit, you are a hypocritical complicit.
I hope you all can sleep at night. I left 4 years ago (granted it was not due to ethical issues) because I got a better offer. But you know what, no company is perfect and there are more similarities than differences between companies. Boeing just has the unfortunate situation of having them in the public eye.
The FAA has been bought and sold by Boeing
The Truth is Ugly
Boeing Lobbyist
2016 Total Lobbying Expenditures: $17,020,000
2017 Total Lobbying Expenditures: $16,740,000
2018 Total Lobbying Expenditures: $15,120,000
2019 Total Lobbying Expenditures: $7,260,000
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000100&year=2016
De-Regulation
A well understood practice of buying off government
To allow unrestricted capitalism in-order to maximize profits
Regardless of consequences
Boeing paid congress for the FAA, they are a subsidiary of Boeing
Risk Analyses and Cost Benefit Analysis
At the highest levels of Government and Corporations
(At this level they are synonymous)
Human being’s are valued at one million dollars each.
(Western Value)
We pay far less for Human Lives in other parts of the world
Please see values paid for civilian deaths in Afghanistan.
(as an example)
Boeing and FAA Cost / Benefit Analysis
346 million dollars Cost against the Booked Sales Receipts for product (Aircraft)
600 Billion dollars of Income (Booked Sales)
600,000,000,000 of Income against a 346,000,000 liability
To better understand this, 600 Billion = 600,000 Million
Better Yet do the math for 10 Billion in liability against 600 Billion
- 0016 - Do you now see what's important here, to the National Corporations.
This is the Cold Harsh Reality of Business at this level
When Billions matter, People Don’t matter so much
People’s Lives are just part of the equation
whether we like it or not
They also need to fire the people who have fought tooth and nail to please share holders by outsourcing, lay offs, cutting cost to the point it hurts quality, etc. These people don't understand how it is to engineer a product, much less a safety critical one. Engineers need to take Boeing back.
Shouldn’t it be the FAAs job to be skeptical of what Boeing is putting out? And investigate, etc.