Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

@m4 why don’t you take a break and seek professional help. Nobody thinks you’re important here or in real life OP HERE!!!!!

@c1 you won’t have to worry because you’ll be terminated for not following firm BCP protocol requiring you to take home your laptop every night in case of emergencies (weather, power outages, etc).

DF can su-k deez nutzzzz

I believe DF is instructed to cut his crowd in corporate risk to 30% without paying any severance . Risk is not required anymore and it is baggage preventing other line of business to invest for profit. So DF implemented 4 days in office as first arrow. Some more coming probably.

@kp
OP HERE.
shut up and read.
Common sense should have told you that when I say 11 am login time, it means most people. Most people work like 7-9 am to 4-6 pm.

The fact that you could not decipher that alone shows the kind of job you do at WF

This same person that claims to be an authority on the subject proves time and again they don’t know what they are talking about. The bank is huge. Not everyone works homogenous hours. Stop trying to make this more sophisticated than it really is. You sound foolish each time you post - it gets more audacious and incredible each time.

I promise you the EEOC (what’s left of it) does not care one wh-t about Wells Fargo’s in-office mandates.

@k1
Correct.
I am assuming east coast corporate risk with most folks.
With regular hours 8/9 am to 5/6pm

@jk+1k7sh0m0f

That's gonna have to be group specific. Not all of us have bankers hours. We have people on graveyard shifts, rotating shifts, swing shifts etc.

Please contact the EEOC. They’re getting flooded with information about this company. They’re getting ready to make a big announcement.

@jj
OP here again,

When you are disconnected from the network is your logout.(I.e when you shut off your laptop or take it out of building).

Be aware of coming late, I.e. coming say 12 noon and leaving say at 8 pm.
A friend of mine got warning too, because his average first login time was around 11am in the office.

The whole objective of this micromanagement is for us to be frustrated and quit on our own without severance pay.

@bg You keep saying login. What about log out? Does WF track that?

How is this first / last login thing even going to work. There's certain days where I have a task, dealing with people and conducting assessments, where I don't log in all day. I don't even have my laptop with me in most instances. Going to fire me for doing my job? These A holes in HY are a complete waste of money. They know nothing, provide no value, and are obstructing progress.

OP here again.

As a coffee badger for past two years or so, I think we have all been busted.
I normally average 4 hours in office, start from home around 9 am , then go to office around 10 , then leave around 2 pm. then finish work at home till around 6 pm.

I really enjoyed the flexibility, and lack of stress . sometimes I go 4 days a week.

Now on a serious note:

1. I have seen the report, I repeat and repeat, first login and last login to company network is what is used. Make sure you login when you get to office.

2. From my interactions with managers this year is all about a test run and warnings, no actual adverse action against anyone or in perf review.

3. Starting Jan 2, it will be enforced fully to the letter.

4. You can get an exception, talk to your manger, though it is tough., like if you have to do maintenance work in early hours or late, then they will give exceptions.

@ay why would you track badges and network separately - makes no sense. Network tracking covers both needs. It clearly states on the DIO guide for managers that the days are tracked either by a network login or a badge swipe. If this 8 hour report actually exists - it would go by network activity - not all sites have badge out. It would cover hours and days in office

@ee this makes the most sense. If it is one size fits all, company wide tracking, it has to be this way

no surprise OP. This is the same as happened with days in office requirement. Managers who don't create consequences for staff violating 3 days face consequences themselves.

At the end of the day, no manager is going to sacrifice themselves for their staff.

@ar op.. so badge swipe times dont count as part of the 8 hrs? I dont see how with time it sometimes takes to find a desk that works, booting up a pc that is now 4 years old and takes 15 minutes, or you end up talking with someone bef9re logging on, etc?

@c4 We asked this same thing and were told to schedule deployments on days we work from home.

wrong info on this chain re: login vs badging.

hours in office are tracked by the earliest of the two: badge-in OR login, departure by the latest of the two.

@c1 stfu

8 inches > 8 hours

Just keep opening trouble tickets that your computer doesn’t work and you’re unable to authenticate. That’s your paper trail and excuses for network tracking purposes.

So for those evenings when the app that I help manage needs a quarterly production release or even a hotfix as needed and I'm logged in remotely, how will they track those hours? I will take comp time since I'm an exempt salaried professional and leave 4 hours early on a Friday.

and what if I don't take my computer home and keep it logged in at the office?

@bg they are tracking activity. The response time switching apps is maddening. They are tracking hours being active. With lots of holes

I am sure the middle managers and low level managers will have some kinda of deal ( flexibility) in this 8 hours business. It is like a concentration camp run by them. America has changed and go to be worst soon.

@bg this is very helpful. I sure hope I get displaced before I get caught up in this micromanagement society.

OP here:

Moral of the story -

1. if you don't intend to spend close to 8 hours (6 or 7 should be fine for now), don't bother going to office.
2. When you arrive at the office, make sure you login before even going for any meeting.
   3.Again, the office hours are tracked only by network login (first and last login to company network).
3. The badge is only for RTO (3 days or 4 days compliant).. hence you can work on different floor or building in some cases if your manger allow.
4. Any extra work at home after returning from office is wasted as far as compliant is concern - so minimize extra work.
5. So far no indication of tracking activity while in office or at home (though I am hearing some chatter about that on this forum - at least they don't do that in Risk).
6. For the RTO of 3 days - they only flag mainly people doing average of 1 day, a 2 is frowned upon, but in most cases, you might get away with it.

@b7 yes but my point was why incentivize going in only three days?

@ax only certain LOBs are actively using keystroke type data. One is all of Ops and I haven't heard of others.

@b1 it is the better of log ins and badge swipes. They use the first in and last out. So if you badge out for lunch, it won't matter as long as you come back and log out later.

Also, it's the average of the office days. So it's worse to go in 4-5 days for a 5 hour average vs going in 3 days for an 8 hour average. So, an incentive to not do more than 3 days.

Right now, they are only flagging those at the 4-5 or less range. If you're getting 7 hour average, you aren't tye priority right now

It would be just horrible if someone came in 5 days a week for 5 hours...the entire system will fall apart. That person could not possible getting as work done as someone coming in 8 hours a day for 3 days.

Ignore DF, he looks like a fat fu--ing toad. Best days are behind him. He'll be in the block soon

I would argue they need to at minimum use the lesser of badge swipe and network login because in some of the large high rises where you badge in at the lobby, it could take 5-10min to get to a cube and logged in. they also have to build in some margin. my guess is that if you are 7+ heck maybe even 6+ you likely won't hear anything for a while. right now it is all about the coffee badgers.

@ah nailed it. Badges swipes are for tracking if you come in 3 days a week (soon to be 4). That report determines if you met that requirement. Then a Login/logout report tracks your 8 hour in office requirement. They have it covered to track about everything (including time on “away” status on teams if necessary).

@OP any truth to keyboard strokes tracking, is there a report for that?

Leadership knows how to scare the diarrhea out of everyone.

I heard hrs in office is tracked by when you badge in to start and when you log off the company network to end.

Just do what I’m doing.. Go in 3 days and exactly 8 hrs. Go home and stop working. No more flexibility!