So, I drag my a-s into the office every day since Jan 5. Yet since last Wednesday, the building has been pretty much dead. Yeah, there were people on every floor, but it's not full. I was on 27 today, and I spotted 4 people. 4!!
So, where are u and how busy is it? Has your boss told you to work from home again?
@b0 that’s what your moms pi-p told her
@34n Right? It was very quiet on my floor today. Once they announce that remote can stay remote, and the snacks disappear, itll be going right back to 2-3 days. And I dont think the company is going to truly care either since they need to save every penny now.
But if it is dropping off, ill bet the company makes another attempt at stressing how important the compliance to 5 day RTO is and the accompanying idle threats that come with it.
Definitely seems like attendance has already fallen off a cliff.
And now the snacks have slowly been dwindling. Did any of you think the free stuff was going to last? They pacified us with a carrot in the first month of RTO to get us comfortable. And now another rugpull. The party's over folks. Get to work!
Of course it's empty. Most of the people I worked with left the company or got laid off.
So HR sends this invitation to a meditation about Loneliness. Lol. So insulting. The only reason people are lonely is because you require us to go in to the office and many of us don't have any work related human contact. It's like being in solitary.
@1kh "The company has been clear on their expectations of RTO.". Can you define what that means? What expectations? That they expect you in 5 days a week? They havent made a decision on remote. They have already exempted some groups from RTO. Internal zoom calls have more than half the people still remote.
Upper management said they will be very "flexible" with people because life happens. So what have they been "clear" about? The inconsistency is rampant and theres no policy out there that says you need to do this or face this penalty. THAT would be clear.
All they've done is SAY many of us have to be in the office 5 days a week.
@1kh have you considered that someone who is working remotely may also find work interesting, the people they work with enjoyable and the pay adequate? Me for example - I worked for Viacom for many years remotely, years before Covid. I’ve built great many things around here with my own hands, and many teams use my things daily. I like it here. Why would I want to preemptively leave and not even get the severance? Why would I want to leave at all? Especially if I’m not at all against the office, I’m just against Times Square and Manhattan of all places and its non negotiable.
I really don't get it. The company has been clear on their expectations of RTO. No one is forcing you to stay. You just believe you know what's best for the company (and you're probably right). Regardless, if the leadership is making a bad decision, paramount is going to suffer. Why stay for the fall? Move on. I honestly find the complaining worse than my hour plus commute. But hey, I find my work interesting, the people I work with enjoyable and the pay adequate. For me, it's worth the commuting misery. To each, his own.
Seeing lots of really young people. These must be the ones that don’t care about rto and just want jobs. Company knows new blood will just replace all the old complainers. They don’t have kids and being able to put entertainment on their resume is enough for them.
To hear that in the office hours was insane, No comment would have been better than comment. Stop gaslighting and fight for us.
To be smart, and yet so d-mb at the same time.
Can you believe that clown stated art on the floors will help solve the RTO morale issue? Unbelievable.
I’m happy with the free food, I’m a d-mb sheep
@rw From what ive read on these boards, they use Okta auth first. So if you are authenticating with Okta from an internal network you're good for the day. And then you can go home. Or to a vendor meeting etc.
Can you technically just swipe your badge and go back home? Or r they tracking when u remote in?
start scheduling as many in-person team meetings to talk about how nobody comes into the office because you have a brain and think for yourselves and do fantastic at the job THEY were hired to do.
They are definitely keeping track of in office attendance. Just keeping doing what you are supposed to be doing, and don’t worry about others. They will get talked to later.
@qv - I get your need for clarity but dont push too hard.... if there isn't any - there is your answer. let it go and fade into the background and do as you see fit for you and your team. better to ask for forgiveness than permission.....
1515 is empty and morale is low only because their is no art on the walls; that'll liven things up. Thanks for your leadership.
Again, I would like clarity on what the actual threshold is for RTO noncompliance. At this point, it seems driven more by perception or fear than by any formal tracking, particularly since there is no visibility or reporting available to people leaders. This is further complicated by the continued emphasis on flexibility. If the policy is truly flexible and includes unlimited PTO, what is the clear tipping point at which noncompliance becomes an issue.
For example, if my child is sick and I need to stay home, am I expected to submit a PTO request? If I work remotely without submitting PTO, does that count against me in any way? The current guidance leaves too much of a grey area and the directive is basically talking out of both sides of their mouth.
@pa The people who aren't coming in have no fear. The ones that are fully compliant are fearful or guilty. Thats what the company is hoping for, compliance by guilt or fear. They dont want to have to deal with the rogues. So as long as most sheep come in every day then things are good. Sort of like unlimited PTO. They tell you that you can take as much time off as you want. But the majority of people take less time than if it was defined, mostly because of fear or guilt. Fear that your boss is going to say you take too much time. Or guilt because for example you are in the middle of a project and feel guilty taking time and leaving it to someone else etc. Companies use Psychology 101 on us, and it has been widely documented.
A lot of people are not in the building today. I'm sure there are a bunch of sick days being taken.
Anyone notice the volume of slack messages on the general facilities and food channels is down to like 2 posts today? lol. RTO attendance is either WAY down, or they are in Friday mode. So this is the only day where everything is going smoothly? No one got locked out? No one has any issues with conf rooms? No leaks or coffee machine issues? Yeah. The proof is right there.
@pa Theyre not taking any action if you're a high performer. But slip up, and they'll use it against you.
@pa Its funny, I stayed home Wednesday, just because. No one looked for me. Only thing who knows I was remote is some spreadsheet somewhere. Yet, you feel like you missed a meeting with your parole officer and they are going to come knocking on your door. And this morning they send an email about P's culture of flexibility and to make sure you get approval if you cant come to the office. "Oh please sir, may I have some more porridge sir?" The "culture" they are building is one of being trapped, while others with privilege and connections can roam free.
@pa "Offenders" why not just do your job instead of worrying other people. Is the work getting done?
My teams morale is low. We are all coming in 5 days a week yet they don’t see a lot of phase 1 people in the office. These WFH employees are taking zoom meetings from home or putting a fancy background so you don’t know where they are. they don’t have a legit exception. When is the company going to take action for the offenders?
Wait until the weather warms up. Unlimited PTO and we won’t see people for weeks.
it's simply not going to last. this was just a fear play to get people to quit, nothing more nothing less.
@jy It’s even below VP. So many remote managers im on zooms with. I cant see the company ever calling them back. And when the company officially says remote doesn’t have to come back and the weather warms up, watch how rto compliance plummets. Only for thee but not for me? It’ll be a battle the company wont put much effort in fighting, even if they pretend to for a little while.
@k8 You’re not kidding. It’s a constant outflow after 3:30, but that’s the way it was before on hybrid so nothing has changed. The company doesn’t have official office hours so it’s nbd anyway I guess.
There are a ton of PBEs in NY. Combine that with the massive layoffs and this is what we have. I do think a lot of people are leaving around 3pm. Workers are complying with going in but staying the entire day is a joke.
You know a bunch of EVPs and SVPs were able to push off their RTO because they are special. Returning to the office is for everyone but the chosen few.
a lot of the company consists of PBE’s who are exempt from full time rto
@df It’ll be packed when remote is ordered back in. Especially now that they have realized there is plenty of space for them to sit.
Everyone has the flu on my floor. I am glad they didn’t come in. Not to mention the building was never “full”. We fired a ton of people, remember?
Stop complaining. You are lucky to have a job in this economy. You all are replaceable.
DE and the C-suite su.ck ups are distracted with his d-mb lawsuit and manufacturing consent by rolling out the red carpet for fascist takeover and WW3, who cares? Mind your business, better yet, take advantage of it and see what you can get away with, too. I don't think anyone got a pay bump to eat sh*t and go to the office when there's no point.