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A breakdown of sociopathy in the corporate environment

Sociopathy is Rewarded in Corporate Culture

The corporate world often values and rewards traits associated with sociopathy, such as ruthlessness, vision, and high focus on goals. Steve Jobs is often cited as a model of leadership where these qualities were admired. This focus on cutthroat tactics and maximizing quarterly profits means that when a toxic boss acts toxically, they may be rewarded, not reprimanded, for their "success."

The Toxic Paradox: Kiss Up, Kick Down

Toxic people have mastered the art of "kiss up, kick down":

Kiss Up: They expend all their effort su-king up to the boss and higher-ups, focusing on perception as the most important element of career success.

Kick Down: They sabotage co-workers, spread vicious gossip, withhold crucial information, or take credit for others' work.

Cognitive Dissonance: When higher-ups consider a toxic person their favorite, they will justify the person's poor performance to advance them. Management may even gaslight a good employee who raises concerns by shifting the blame onto them.

Toxic Work Environments are Enabled at the Top

Weak or ill-equipped leadership creates and enables the toxic environment:

Underinvestment in Training: Many companies underinvest in basic management or leadership training, leading to ineffective leaders.

Poor Modeling: When a toxic executive is at the top, their leadership style—characterized by unrealistic expectations, setting people up to fail, and openly berating people—trickles down and is modeled by other leaders, rapidly declining the work environment.

Insecure Leaders: Many people pursue leadership for validation, power, or to feel important, making them insecure leaders who may tolerate other toxic people.

Toxic people are the Bigger Problem (and Harder to Deal With)

In many cases, management knows a toxic person is a problem but doesn't fire them because they are the bigger liability.

The manager (e.g., "Ted") realizes the toxic person (e.g., "Carol") would "lose her sh-t, file complaints, and cause all sorts of headaches" if confronted. The manager may instead choose to reprimand the more agreeable, non-toxic employee who they know will try to "keep the peace."

  1. Their Reputation Matters More Than Results

Ultimately, toxic people are experts at exploiting the idea that their reputation with the higher-ups matters way more than results. They become untouchable once they establish influence with executive leadership.

Most people try to either play dirty office politics or avoid them, but the third option is to learn how to play office politics using simple power moves to make yourself immune from their tactics. But how? Does any of this ring a bell for you?


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@jb8 was this you Mary? Why did you feel harassed?

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Post ID: @x8r+1k639kryh

@my5 this happened to me, fu--ing ridiculous, amber seems to believer her story (sometimes)…. I guess when you go that far, going back on your bs isn’t an option when you lack integrity.

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Post ID: @qn4+1k639kryh

@q8g I think that's where we get new designs from.

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Post ID: @q9g+1k639kryh

@je6
how about some HR guidance on how to build a decent car

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Post ID: @q8g+1k639kryh

Holy cr-p, I don't think it's Melania, it's Mary herself. Are you sure you're not the one with the parasocial thing here? Have a look at your org chart, why don't ya... I'm none of the posts below. If you were talking to me, you're right, I have no clue what the below means, but it is certainly interesting it set you off. Try an executive team that actually cares and doesn't make a mockery of procedure at the expense of your employees if you're looking to turn the company around, until then you're just pi----g people off.

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Post ID: @pqx+1k639kryh

@jdw lets talk about your current "sins", you wannabe pious angry little bitter sh-t. You know absolutely nothing. Nothing. You want to fantasize and say things to make yourself feel good, that is why you are here. To try and convince yourself by manipulating others to believe what you want to be true so you can finally feel good about yourself. What a miserable person you are. I certainly hope nobody has to endure interacting with someone like you. Sounds like you'd entrap them and try to keep them as yours through current sins. Any past sins you talk about are foolish. You know nothing but want to feel something. You are on this site picking for clues instead of picking your own life instead of letting it get picked apart. 100 problems, make it one less and solve your own while at instead of making already stressful situations even more annoying to deal with. Live your life and be happy instead of this parasocial sh-t.

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Post ID: @my7+1k639kryh

@jt3 " If a woman were being hit on by a male boss, should she have to state an obvious boundary or is there a boundary implied?" I don't even feel safe dealing with HR because if they gaslight me and take advantage, they can just accuse me of some bullsh-t like amber heard. Works every time for them.

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Post ID: @my5+1k639kryh

It seems that someone has resonated with me. I’m not sure if it’s projection or if people actually speak like that. It’s a sick world, and I don’t think any manager would be stupid enough to say something like that.

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Post ID: @m8s+1k639kryh

Narcissism related to C suite in studies is highly prevalent. They only want THEIR success. Everyone else ois irrelevant and and a skull crushing step stone to that. Truth

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Post ID: @kwz+1k639kryh

@j5f There are some people I can put you in touch with if it is who I think it was. Very toxic, extreme harassment, the company was looking for more reports to take a final action.

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Post ID: @kdz+1k639kryh

@jm It’s clearly crossing a boundary to treat people different based on their s-x, and to belittle someone who has no choice due to an obvious power imbalance. Should he have to jeopardize his livelihood to actively set a boundary? If a woman were being hit on by a male boss, should she have to state an obvious boundary or is there a boundary implied?

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Post ID: @jt3+1k639kryh

@jc9 Fair point because we-ponized already carries a negative connotation making unjustly redundant. Additionally we-ponized is a bad word for it.

@jck+1k639kryh That analogy doesn’t address what I actually asked, which was whether boundaries are being respected. That distinction matters here.

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Post ID: @jm3+1k639kryh

I can see from the enthusiasm below we seem to need some HR guided training on s-xism in the workplace….

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Post ID: @je6+1k639kryh

The women in my group rarely show up, do a tiny fraction of the work, are never accountable when the SHTF but it's important to protect them at all costs and give them higher CAP ratings to make up for past sins.
#equity
Promote them all!

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Post ID: @jdw+1k639kryh

@jb8 true, I’m going to start telling my team I support my boys, and use a female manager as my secretary, you alright with that?

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Post ID: @jck+1k639kryh

@jb8 we-ponized unjustly? care to explain how those two words work together?

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Post ID: @jc9+1k639kryh

@j5f If she protects them from harassment, I don't see anything wrong with it under circumstances that it's valid. It should only rub you the wrong way if it is being we-ponized unjustly. Does that one male manager try to set boundaries within their expected role?

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Post ID: @jb8+1k639kryh

Is anyone from marketing on here? I joined recently, this seems like a toxic place, is it just this org? I have a director that freely makes the comment "I protect my girls" in front of her male employees and uses one male manager as her personal assistant. Is this normal here/tolerated?

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Post ID: @j5f+1k639kryh

Sounds like you work at WTC design. Talk about some su-k a-s know nothing leaders. These old fu--s are more spiteful than my ex-wife. Forget about being honest with the team and themselves, it's all about the image and persona that portray. Su-k a bloated group of middle managers they care nothing about their employees. It's wild that even hr/labor can't do their job and wrangle these re--rds up over there. Like the guy said in the other thread design has some hard lessons ahead. The people making the parts and the superstars not the 6layers of middle managers.

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Post ID: @h9v+1k639kryh

I see a few people in this thread getting gm minus this year

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Post ID: @1z0+1k639kryh

More than half of my group really believes that by showing up to work at 6:00am and leaving after 3:30pm, they are noble, valiant corporate crusaders. They do meaningless work. Dotting "i's" on checklists, attending meetings unrelated to their roles.
I have been in other groups at GM. Same situation.

GM's new "performance culture" rewards this type of behavior.
The other half of the group too busy to dot those "i's" and check the boxes get "does not meet". In the end, GM will be left with busybodies that contribute zero value to the whole.

The meat-grinding bean counters that came up with this role elimination strategy of "cuts via performance" are definitely st-----g the egos of upper management but it come at a monstrous cost.

PS Think about what your manager considers "performance". Taking corporate training, submitting cost cutting ideas and attending functions. Is that performance or ego-st-----g for managers? GM is literally a huge joke and so are at least half of the employees.

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Post ID: @1jj+1k639kryh
  • ignorance and blind arrogance (ex. _ike _egen__)
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Post ID: @sa+1k639kryh

The culture here has been toxic for at least the 20 years I know about.

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