How are the 55yo and under thinking they should stay until the end? You have lost out on merit increases, 401K matching and a future, are you staying just for vacation? Just curious as to how Xerox are retaining this group.
I realize some of the younger ones are just trying to build experience for a resume, and some nepatism is helping a few families. But the others?
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@vz who wrote this word salad??
@ts its not irrelevant.. you brought me making my kids into a worried state. Also with many tech companies (Oracle) and other companies laying people off and people able to lose there jobs all over the place for many different reasons.. the lessons would be valuable at any company.
I didn’t take my children thought the board, how I thought the purchase of Lexmark by Xerox speed up the decline of Xerox or other internal politics.. the lessons were around personal financial decisions matrix’s and how budgeting and planning are needed in life to be prepared for life changes.
The real question is why is Xerox right now any different that any other possible situations where job loss could occur for teaching the lessons.. it’s not from the lessons point of view.
From a lessons point of view your right it’s irrelevant and that irrelevancy goes both ways from a logic point of view it doesn’t help or hurt your case either.
@rj you would do that without this board and Xerox. Its irrelevant
@rd no we taught our kids lessons about life and finances. They are about to head college in a few years understanding how much car insurance, rent and other life expenses to start with is good solid education. Also understanding how salaries are established, how to invest for the future and etc is being a good parents
Teaching kids how to survive in life as life teaches different lessons is what parents are suppose to do. It’s better to be open and teach lessons the hide things from kids is our parenting approach.
We don’t go over board we do keep it age appropriate and relate it to there lives and there future and how they can make things better for themselves vs letting life just hit them left and right.
@qz you brought your kids into the worry chamber. Question is why still here? It’s getting tedious battling with you as you clearly don’t understand what’s happened in the past and what’s happening now
@ga
To: Who do you think they will throw off the boat? You don’t need to buy a copier in a lifeboat at sea.
Correction: you do if you are looking for the worlds best anchor!!!!
~bottoms up~
@p2 Maybe some misunderstanding here… I worried for about 2 weeks, built a plan about 2 weeks and then executed the plan going forward. Multiple years ago mapped out educational (adv degree and certifications), identified key leaders in areas of interest at Xerox, Identified local and next largest city networking opportunities (and attend atleast one event every 6 months) and then spent about 2 months to clean up the family fantails with my wife and teenager kids. We provided education for the kids on financial numbers of living.. and this included mapping out different situations.
After the two weeks working I may have spent 1-2 hours a night on self improvement (studying for college courses and/or certifications) but that is not worrying.
@m8 That is a mental issue when you sit worrying night over night on what if. Need to live your life without overthinking what could happen. You are in control
@hd so you don’t buy car insurance, you don’t better yourself to make more money or prompt yourself, you don’t think about how to improve your life? I guess I would rather be a worry monster improving my life then have victimhood mental issues so many people run around with today.
@fw just sounds like you are a worry monster
@gd I completely agree with you that the years I have worked at Xerox as layoffs have occurred there has been new job titles and new roles created to provide pay raises and other benefits to employees. These pay raises and benefits are usually higher than merit raises and/or one time bonuses received.
@gh Unlimited vacation is the new policy you just need to work out with your supervisor how your going to use your vacation and how it will effect your deliverables. It’s a great policy for many so that they don’t need to track time off for medical or family emergencies.
@gc You say good luck but I bet this person doesn’t have to look long when he does look.. he has done many things that most people on here complaining haven’t done.. he said they they have been networking, improved there education and got a professional degree that pays in the low 100k’s for example.
I will make an assumption that when this person goes job hunting they will land a job much faster those many of those on this forum and others laid off around him because he (since he said talked with his wife) about how to handle any lay off coming his way. Even sounds like they have different plans on how to handle different situations coming there way.
The key things I think that this person is pointing out that I hope most of the people reading this forum don’t lose sight of is 1) It’s never to late to improve yourself; the best time may have been yesterday but the second best time is today. 2) Look up and be positive and not negative in a world of negativity 3) victim hood mentality defeats you at the mental level and 4) personal responsibility is the key to life.
I have heard some have gotten almost unlimited vacation time in lue of promotion or pay increase. I guess the standard rules have been thrown out the window. Seems so unfair.
This is a good question but what you do not know is that many who are staying are getting raises, bonuses, and other consideration to make them whole. In my very long tenure here, I have never missed a bonus and went only one year without a salary increase. A year without a merit increase can become a promotion instead.
@fh Good luck, but you will need to apply to several hundred jobs, not 5.
If 5 people are in a sinking lifeboat.
One is a doctor, one is a sailor, one is a priest, one is a fisherman, and one is a salesman for Xerox.
Who do you think they will throw off the boat? You don’t need to buy a copier in a lifeboat at sea.
@ft life is what it’s everyday and ever thing you do.. what if I get hit by another car driving, what if I win the lottery, what if and what if
The question isn’t are there what if the question is what have you done to prepare yourself for those what if such as buying auto insurance, driving a reasonable speed, savings 9 months cost of living and etc.
Or do you just sit down and let serve you what it wants without being prepared.
@fq that’s if you get the job. All what ifs.
@fe your statement is true in my local market because the demand for the certification I hold is not strong in the local market so I would need to hold a different technical role. But I’m not short sighted to this and recognize that I would have to move to work within the similar position requiring the certification I hold.
@fh also in the last 25 months me and my wife have seen the writing on the wall about Xerox financials ada company and have saved up 9 months cost of living plus reduced our costs and even talked about what if it was needed that I work in another city m-f and be home for weekends.
We haven’t sat on our butts and cried about the situation we looked at it with our eyes wide open and modeled put different possibilities. Including no pay, pay cut, moving and other possibilities.
The key is we looked at things with our eyes and ide open knowing it’s our responsibility to take care of ourselves not our employers.
@fe/ff the certification I hold has five openings in the next largest city with the starting pay of 120k for positions that I’m 110% qualified for even one being at a large university. I’m also attending professional networking events in that area to be prepared.
If my Monday I’m laid off then I use my 9 months cost of livings savings I’ve built up the last 25 months and have a family meeting about the future and what that looks like. And probably send out my resume and cv to those five places as well reach to local network.
I stay positive and look forward to the next adventure in life and allow my family to help us all though this change.
@f5 This is fine, but what is you plan if you lose your job Monday?
@f5 reason you stay is you won’t get that money elsewhere
@ez I’m not in HR I am a technical professional whom have worked for Xerox for years and completed multiple certifications over the years on my own time with my own money. I went from being paid started pay of 40k in one technical role to moved into another technical role being paid 113k last year. It took me 5-7 years of educational, certifications, networking with the right managers and when a position opened up the managers put my name forward the position was even posted.
Now I sit in a position that pays 2.5x my starting salary and have educational, certifications and experiences that when this ship sinks I can easily go find another position at another employer and they will look at my resume smile.
I will also say that when you look at things from the what can I do to make myself better point of view and you do things for yourself instead of the victim culture that so many people seem to believe in these days you will wake up and goto sleep with allot more peace. Of course this assumes you follow though on improving yourself.
The reason I stay is because I have children in local schools and they are close to entering college and the next largest job market is about 65-75 miles away most likely requiring that I relocate; which I’m willing to do but would prefer to see the two kids starting college first.
@dv “So basically your employer wants you to spend thousands of dollars to get more education to better yourself, so they can put you in a position and pay you minimum salary, so that they can benefit from your financial expenses.”
No it should be yourself wanting to make yourself better so you can be a better employer to any employer so they have a reason to pay you more money so you have the cash to go enjoy the better things in life that you think only management has access too.
@d4 Sounds a lot like a piece of trash HR person I know… KK.
@et I echo this, 20 years for me, good salary and pension for what I do and left alone to do what I have to. Had some good years and bad and managed to ride it out. This is no different
@OP I'm 40, been here my entire career, and happy to have a job. I don't feel like the company owes me anything, and I don't feel bitter about lack of raises, etc. Disappointed, yes of course, but I stay here on my own free will. I feel sorry for people who think they are victims.
@dv An employee is not bettering themselves for the employer but for themself. Anyone who won't work on improving themself because it might benefit Xerox is shortsighted, to put it in the most charitable terms.
Total scam from the ivory tower.
So basically your employer wants you to spend thousands of dollars to get more education to better yourself, so they can put you in a position and pay you minimum salary, so that they can benefit from your financial expenses.
Well that sure leaves a lotta money for the golden parachutes 🪂 for management doesn’t it?
@d4 well said
@af I have to respond to this statement “This company hasn't given me any certifications or skills to give me an advantage over the thousands and thousands of other protentional candidates in my pay range.” And I have to respond.. it’s not your employer’s responsibility to take care of you by making you better for another employer.
It’s your responsibility to come to work and do your job and show off to your employer to receive more respond city and benefits. It’s your responsibility to find education, certifications and etc on your own and even spend your own money and time to make yourself better for yourself and your employer(s).
It’s your responsibility to take care of your professional development not Xerox’s or any other employer. If you want to stand out from those those other candidates do something to improve yourself professionally and I don’t want to hear about your salary holding you back - there are those whom make less whom aren’t held back by these beliefs.
You missed the boat and now you complain the island is sinking. 🌴
Seriously ? You have had ample time to fix this issue, if you ever took it seriously. Which I doubt Bigtime.
I dont know where any of you are but the job market is good in many places. Georgia, Carolinas, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas are areas Im familiar with and the market is very good. Yes it can vary by state and by city/metro area for sure. Some of you can’t move for s variety of reasons but if you really are not building a retirement where you are you better find a way to get out and get where you can make and save some money. Complaining that the job market is bad isnt going to help in 10-15 years. Letting Xerox ruin your life is a poor choice
Similar to some of the other comments here... I'm not an engineer, I'm not in sales, and I'm not in the c-suite making six figures. The job market is trash. I've been hunting and applying for over a year now - most of the jobs available are looking to pay entry-level wages but requiring the work of 3 people, and that's only IF you aren't getting ghosted.
It su-ks here but I'd rather stay and deal with the bullsh-t I know, while at least making a little money, than jump ship and not get paid at all (especially in this economy).
It’s hilarious to hear some of this, one group is clueless on what to do.
The other group has all the answers to every nuance of this organization.
The thing you both have in common is that you should have both left long ago and started a career someplace else. Not drag your feet. Bad call.
Mostly there's nowhere to go. I'm an engineer with over 30 years of experience and still can't get hired anywhere. In the current job market if you're disabled you're pretty much sc--wed. So many people trying to get hired they just ignore all of us.
Not an engineer or in sales and I make barely $45k a year. This company hasn't given me any certifications or skills to give me an advantage over the thousands and thousands of other protentional candidates in my pay range. Pretty much no matter where I apply the pay will be the exact same or less than I currently make here if I get hired in the first place. I feel stuck.