Thread regarding Cigna layoffs

@131

You’re right.
It’s much better to force community-paid healthcare onto people who really don’t want it and likely won’t make any suggested lifestyle changes anyway.

@w2 You sound like a sociopath. Sure, let’s just let people who get sick die. Because, you know, they’re just “dead wood.”

You definitely have senior management potential. Let’s hope no one in your family gets cancer.

@vy

Sometimes you have to let the dead wood fall.
Trying to save everyone is a losing proposition in every way.

@vv Nanny state? Who gets the most handouts from the government? Cigna is on that list. People on food stamps don’t come close to corporate welfare price tag.

Also unhealthy people raise ALL our costs. They will skip checkups then get really sick and end up in the hospital and then they won’t pay their bill. So the provider recoups cost by raising prices for everyone. Learn socioeconomics!!!

@t3

Cost effective to whom?
The insurer?

That’s exactly what free market usurps, genius.
There is no “insurer/payer” it’s all up to the individual to decide cost effectiveness vs. future cost mitigation.

You adherents to the Nanny State can’t understand the simplest of socioeconomic concepts.

@m0 Sorry but you sound like a very low IQ individual. It is MUCH more cost effective to make sure as many people as possible get preventive care to reduce much higher costs in the future.

@jt "When people have to pay for something they don’t enjoy, they often will just skip it." Well then this is where Mr. Darwin steps in, isn't it.

@fg Without market distortions, the price of routine checkups is allowed to find its actual, much lower price. Then it's all on you to decide if you want to shell out the $75 bucks or not. If you're not willing to get a check up once a year, or get an oil change for a car, then that's on you.

@jt

So you’re saying that we need freebies in order for people - who otherwise don’t care - to keep up with their health?

That’s the d-mbest sh-t I’ve ever heard.
Look at all the grossly obese and unhealthy people on medicaid.😆

@g5 You’re missing the point and being very naïve about human nature. When people have to pay for something they don’t enjoy, they often will just skip it. If people now have to pay for routine care many just won’t do it, which will create much worse health problems and costs in the long run.

@fg

The patient pays out of pocket up front for standard things.

The provider can’t charge more for standard things than people will pay.

Providers save on ridiculous claim admin costs and the patient gets to pay fair market value.

Everyone wins.

@fh
Preach comrade.

@eh After 20 years working for several large health insurers I've come to the conclusion that a single payer system is the only viable option. The for-profit, employer-based private system has proven to be a complete failure. There needs to be a single entity negotiating with providers and dr-g companies, one EHR to streamline, simplify and aggregate health data and universal coverage for all Americans.

The fact that 27 million Americans don't have health insurance is immoral and unacceptable. Especially while people like DC make $23 million a year. Single payer won't be perfect, but it would fix the biggest problems with this completely broken system. I'm actively looking to get out of this immoral industry and have asked for a package. Good luck to those who want to stay.

@e9 Who covers routine checkups and well-care then? If that isn't covered people won't get it and health issues and costs will explode in the future.

@eh
If that were the case, all of us admin workers would be cut.

Health insurance needs to be non profit.

@OP Both Private Health Insurance and Single Payer as they are currently configured, here in the US and the latter in other countries represent market distortions that either raise costs, or limit supply. Insurance should cover medical emergencies and costly procedures, not routine checkups.

@aa Yarvin/Thiel/Musk/Vances DID play both sides. Both were originally one side then grifted to another.

@a8

Please leave politics out.
Both sides are guilty.

@a5 It's Curtis Yarvin/Peter Thiel/JD Vance/Usha Vance's dream come true. The caste system that was also brought to America with California being the first victim.

We help the wealthiest Americans and the wealthiest Indians/foreign class now. The American middle class is sc--wed.

A lot of technofascists like Musk and Thiel believe in this stuff.

@a5

It is 100% a self defeating cycle.

It's pretty funny. All the outsourcing == a decent bit of american wealth being transferred to foreign nations while concentrating the rest in the hands of a small % of americans, but then your product/company relies on the large remaining % of americans to be profitable.

But it won't be a problem until it's more commonplace, since someone else (other companies that don't offshore) can "foot the bill" so to speak.