Long overdue. FnF no longer protected.
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@zn Is there a meeting place, how do they operate?
@ae with regard to “BS post. FnF are ALWAYS protected. ALWAYS.”
This is true but only until there is a “lake turnover” in the FNF ranks. What happens is the FnF crowd continually d-mbs down, and so the brighter bulbs in the FnF crowd are expelled in periodic “lake turnovers” and d-mber more controllable FnF members are brought into the FnF fold.
I’ve watched this phenomena for decades. The FnF who have their own turn on them squeal the loudest when they are ousted.
Ford is a fascinating place to observe. Talented individuals are not allowed to thrive. Talented youngsters think they can change the system, but they can’t and end up leaving Ford. Those that stay become a part of the FnF problem.
They plant stuff on naive people and compromise them if they're skilled. If your mind is occupied or you're living in the moment and not paying attention, they plot to try to compromise you and use that to control you. They traffic people in michigan.
What's the over/under on Latitude AI going the way of Argo? I only say this because of the short time I was there I have never met a greater bunch of incompetent a--holes in my life. Everybody in a position of authority was related to someone else and when the hard work had to be done it sure as fu-k had the authority running away to have one of their underlings be their shield. I mean, why should anybody give a sh-t about BlueCruise when the thing hardly works and the stupidity of making a software to drive a car? Why even bother with a car if you're not going to drive it? And considering this was Ford's big thing for a bit, it shows just how awful they are at their own job and how much the entire org needs to be led out to pasture. Do we really need 3 American carmakers that are horribly incompetent?
@fc Sometimes you just know
@dp How do you know that?
@f8 What a smooth and unproblematic upbringing that Matt Jones had, he must've found an affinity group that saw something in him, I think we try the same thing where we find a brown intern and pair them with a brown manager and then during salaried, we throw the brown people together for MVP development again with another brown supervisor and then post mvp we bring in our white colleagues. This is done for diversity!
I forgot to mention, depending on skin color, she will be able to go through her 3 rotations every 6 or so months and be done with the residency program very quick. So that is great news. If she doesn't meet that contingency, she will be in the same single rotation for a documented 1.7 years on average. If she waits one year before joining us, we will bring her in that same entry level at $15k higher, which will still be below market rate, but it's alright. If she can't wait a year for that, she'll have to wait for her salary to be raised a few dimes, it won't reach what people at entry level will be entering at but it will be rude for her to complain. So basically, if you work here at 1.7 years, and your salary grows through that time and you get a promotion to SG6 that's effective on april 1st, you'll STILL be making less than what her criteria would qualify for entry level at SG5. Oh and depending on your skin color, you have the option of having your HTHD role actually be classified as HTHD and rewarded that priced compensation as well, otherwise you'll just do the HTHD role in that rotation for 1.7 years. More good news for DEI, if you wonder about affinity groups, we have that too. For example if you're Pakistani (asian ethnicity), you'll fit perfectly in the inclusive affinity group "Ford Asian INDIAN Association (FAIA)", they will protect you from any bad managers! Trust me, depending on your eagerness to try as well as your complexion, you will rise up quickly, like a little celebrity! Especially in orgs with Matt Jones, you may read about his own come-up here: https://archive.ph/9Rwny
@f3 Ah, sorry the best we can do is below market average on the lowest salary grade for entry level. So unfortunately we will be capping your knees. No we do not negotiate, do not ask anyone else if we negotiate, just trust me. The good news is that depending on her skin color, she will be granted the possibility of having days off without retaliation. She will be able to take advantage of our covered tuition benefits, immediately depending on satisfying the contingency. There will be events she can attend for women empowerment and she will be able to use her power hour without retaliation (depending on satisfying the contingency). Depending on that contingency, we believe that she will not be working late as a regular thing or taking on the job of 3-4 people without receiving credit as a ghostwriter for leadership and senior engineers/architects/anchors, and she will have a normal schedule instead of a random one where you're working weekends, or you're getting called back home to get back on and figure how to sc--w a light bulb for 5 senior engineers at 10pm. Don't forget, depending on the skin complexion contingency, you ended up at the gym @ 10pm because you got off 7pm. Team player stuff. Tell her we're excited to teach her how to become a Ford Engineer.
@ed Slow, she went to OU.
Did you say engineering degree? Say no more! Which state are they in? What school is their degree from? So we can either cap your knees or give you eight extra inches of height from undergoing limb-lengthening surgery for both your upper and lower legs for your 1:1 impression management.
I have a family member that has a degree in custodial engineering. This is blasphemy.
@df You're right! This engineering degree makes you an ENTHUSIAST. Real engineering output isn't a factor in that. I had someone I taught making almost double out of college based on the school they went to. Even in ford people of the same age were paid more coming here from california. You're correct! Good job
@dd So they're picking themselves off along with leadership? By the Lord's grace, this company is saved!!
@dd They're picking off themselves and leadership then? Great news! This company is saved!
@dd Job Chick is clearly inept, Model e is the future. ‘Believe me this time’
@df You don't know my background. I'm sure people who can checked
@df YOU DONT ENGINEER YOU PLAY POLITICS
@df Say what you really want to say with your chest. The difference is we know who I am when I talk my sh-t AFTER backing it up, while you're hiding behind anonymity and vibes.
Whether someone "should" be called an engineer has nothing to do with whether they did engineering-level work. Engineering is defined by problem-solving, design, implementation, and validation, not by age or a license. Many real engineers did serious engineering work long before formal credentials. Adults who code impressive systems get called engineers all the time. The skepticism appears only because the subject is 9-10 years old. A documented digital footprint and contributions with proven live recordings beats vague and snarky cynicism every time. Tall poppy syndrome shows up when someone exceeds the "acceptable" level of success for their age or group, observers feel their own status or identity is threatened etc. Instead of "that’s impressive, how did they do it?" you get "Well, actually, let’s redefine words so this doesn’t count". A kid with a real body of work doesn’t need validation from someone whose only contribution is a dismissive sentence. If there’s an issue with the actual engineering work, point to it directly.
Ironically, I’ve worked under plenty of people with engineering titles who couldn’t design a system, reason about tradeoffs, or meaningfully review code, yet no one rushed to police their labels. Credentials and job titles were accepted on faith; output was optional. The most troubling part was that many of these roles sat in hiring, engineering leadership, engineering management, and even engineering HR. This is why legacy companies like Ford look perpetually confused in software. They promote people who don’t understand software to manage people who do, then wonder why velocity collapses and talent leaves. They’ll aggressively police titles and age while failing to evaluate actual output, because output requires understanding, and MANY OF THEM DON'T HAVE IT. They’re optimized for a world where hierarchy, titles, and paperwork mattered more than iteration, evidence, and output. So when people from that mindset (yours) try to dismiss demonstrated software engineering work, especially from someone young, it says far more about how outdated and washed their worldview is than anything about the work itself. Worry about your own specific engineering SUBSET, I bet you can’t gatekeep your own because you no longer understand it.
Shout-out to people who weren't washed, my dad has a masters in mechanical engineering and he pivoted later on to warranty/quality stuff because he's an autodidact and I watched him when I was younger buy engineering equipment, reading books, working on everything regarding parts/sensors to fully understand what he is working with. Would you say he is an enthusiast despite decades of experience at this stage? On that note, it is fundamentally stupid to put people with strictly a manufacturing or electrical engineering backgrounds in charge of software engineering teams like it is done at Ford. Not controversial, just wrong domain expertise. People like you don't even understand yet throw your BS around and want to goalpost every single time the bar is exceeded. I've seen it all my life. They ended up looking...uh... ARROGANT...!
Arguing that younger individual isn’t an engineer because of their age and lack of institutional backing of being a prodigy is like saying water isn’t H2O because it doesn’t come in a labeled bottle. The substance, the work, the proof, the results, doesn’t care about your definitions or your comfort. Pedantry doesn’t change reality.
Yawn, been here 15 years ago. Deja vu is crazy!
I believe we should begin with all the software and programming enthusiasts pretend to be “engineers.”
Cost cutting always a thing plus as jobchick says HR is floating around and picking off low PR.
@ar What on GodzHell does this have to do with the complexion of ones skin?
You aren't particularly bright, are you?
BS post. FnF are ALWAYS protected. ALWAYS.