My manager got demoted to IC and their direct reports were moved under the director (by the director themselves). How come the director has this much power? Why are the directors never demoted?
I like my manager much better than the director.
Now the director will have around 30 direct reports which is suspiciously high number. Looks like many people in my team will get laid off eventually.
"That's not really true... There are 3 or 4 i10's (consultants) on my team and they all report to the same person I do as an i7. Sr. Consultants likely report to directors or above, though... but not i10's. They report to your Sr. Manager or I guess now, your director."
I10s are Sr Consultants (same as a Director but IC), I9s are Consultants (same as Sr Managers but IC)
@ee directors especially at dell are nothing more than overpaid interns that run reports all day and know nothing about technology and less about leadership. Most have the business acumen of negative 15.
My manager (who's technically not anymore, though I'll always consider him as my MANAGER) was ultra personable and our 1x1's were never less than 30-45 minutes every single month. Now that he was "demoted" to IC and my team got a new "manager" - basically it was just his boss - a director - the 1x1's are a running joke among my team. They last for a solid 5-8 minutes at most. It's pathetic.
I feel a tiny bit sorry for the directors who were suddenly forced to manage 20 ppl versus a much smaller team all of a sudden as, they have work to do as well and don't have the time to spend 30+ mins with 20 people.
It su-ks because I've been on the promotion list for literally 4 years at this point and now? I've lost all hope because our director/manager has 20 ppl under him and he knows NOTHING about me, what I do, have done, or me as a person. I quite literally filled out the promotion application this past January and barely a month later, was told that HR/finances decided their wasn't enough money for promotions in our org.
The ONLY reason I'm still at Dell is because I actually love my job. Everyone I work with I have a personal relationship with and the fed department is mostly left alone during layoffs (at least my org..) I have so much damn flexibility it's insane. I honestly don't have a SOLID reason to leave and I'm 6 years in. Am I underpaid? Absolutely. Am I pi---d about a LOT of things dell does/has done? ABSOLUTELY.
But, I'm happy and it's a stress free job more often than not however, I'm being underpaid by about 30k. But, job security is importanmt to me, as is work/life balance along with liking who I work WITH/for.
People can say whatever they want about Fed but, it IS more protected from layoffs than the corporate side in every single way. Yes, FED get's hit, that's nothing new but compare the number of folks who are laid off from FED compared to corp; it's not even a percentage. Sales get's sla-ghtered if anything and I'm not in sales so idgaf.
@bg That's not really true... There are 3 or 4 i10's (consultants) on my team and they all report to the same person I do as an i7. Sr. Consultants likely report to directors or above, though... but not i10's. They report to your Sr. Manager or I guess now, your director.
Not true. A few years back, 82 Directors and Senior Consultants in Global Operations were either let go or a few of us were downgraded to all I-9’s. All at the same time!
Not entirely true when you factor in bonuses. Some directors earn over $20K in quarterly bonuses, that’s just the bonus, not including salary. Their pay is also adjusted for inflation, unlike employees at the lower levels of Dell. If you’re at the bottom of the chain there, you’re actually worse off financially now than when you started.
In summary: the rich keeps getting richer and the poor poorer.
@bf thats by design by the sick people at the top.
This is has nothing to do with directors specifically but basically any manager that has a manager reporting to them.
The other part of it is that this is the 2nd or 3rd wave already. We started with Sr. Managers doing the very same thing to the their M7&M8's. Depending on organization we are already seeing Directors getting rid of Sr. Managers or Sr. Directors getting rid of Directors.
The sh-t always flow in one direction.
What's constant however is that they don't give a sh-t about the employees. Meaningful 1x1s and taking care of the teams with 30+ direct reports? Ha!
cue the 🍿
@b7 I10s are considered senior leaders and outrank any Senior Manager (who are only level 9 employees) This is why I10s don't report to anyone lower than Sr Director and mainly only SVPs and they also get a 25% bonus in a larger pay band instead of the 15% Sr Managers get. Throw in RSUs and I10s make around $100k more than the highest manager level.
The really sick part is that many of these directors are having the demoted managers still manage people who are now their peers.
To the original premise, no Director actually wants to demote the person who was deemed strong enough to become a manager and end up with 30 reports. It’s all being forced from top down and most are flattening the org, but just forcing everyone to function the same way they used to.
@b7 The Leadership Track is M and Individual Contributor is IC. Non tech IC go up to I10 (Sr Cons) and non tech leaders go up to M11 (Sr Dir). Dir, Sr Dir and Sr Cons are all roughly the same layer/Years of Experience and have 25% Bonus. Manager, Sr Manager and Consultant are also similar to each other and have 15% Bonus.
@ak That's not entirely true. IC's go up to lvl 10 I believe and then managers and above are considered "leadership" roles so they'd be an L1,2,3 or however it works.
Your director had NOTHING to do with this. This was a company wide thing back in March. Our manager was "demoted" to an IC - which is a glorified PM, basically - and he was actually OK with it for some reason. My team of 13 now reports to his old boss (a director) who is I guess ok... But, my manager still has our normal 1x1's and essentially the only thing that truly changed was who I "report" to. And my manager lost his admin rights (PTO requests, raises, promotions, etc...) WHICH IS WHAT SU-KS THE MOST
Our new "manager" has zero desire to get to know any of us on a personal level. Our 1x1's are quite literally under 10 minutes. It's a running joke among my team at how short they are considering our real "manager"s 1x1's were easly 30+ minutes each. None of us know anything about him and vice versa.
The only saving grace I suppose is that our director/manager talks to our previous manager weekly and gets filled in on everything but like, I'm not looking forward to raises because I've never gotten anything below 6% in the 6 years I've been at dell. I mean, last year I got a 12% raise lol.
This dude doesn't know ANYTHING about me, what I do, what I have done, etc etc etc... I'm just a number to him.
Managers are just ICs with administrative duties. The highest level a manager can be is I9.
Think about it... 20 is the new norm so the director is safeguarding himself while having a manager as IC still looking after the team. It will also fit the JCs and MSDs spans and pillars model.