Thread regarding CVS layoffs

@1j5 forgive the typo…I meant RTO, not RTS!

@e9 Are they getting their work done? Is there any reason they can’t complete the work they need to do outside of a standard 9-5 work schedule? As long as they’re fulfilling the expectations of the company and are available when needed during the day, who cares when they work?

With the number of offices that have been decommissioned over the past year, they’ve made it much harder to implement broad RTS requirements unless you’re located in Woonsocket, Hartford, NYC or Phoenix.

@11 whether you think it’s right or wrong… there’s always going to be a lens of upper management that is trying to determine can we get more output out of the existing people. While one may not think it’s “fair” if you are finding ways to get all that’s asked of you done at a high quality in an efficient way to enable you do what you want… if your employer thinks there’s a way to get more yield of you.. they are going to want to try… again regardless if you think that’s fair or not.

Also the unfortunate reality is that pre-Covid when being in the office was expected full time… upper management still got the benefit of a certain percentage of employees ALSO working after hours and off hours throughout the night.

So I don’t think you should look at this as “who cares if I’m getting all my work done”… but also trying to stretch the current headcount to not just do their job… but more than that

@e9 why does it matter? If we are salaried and getting our work done then who cares what we’re doing all of the extra minutes of our day. During Covid I had a three year-old and a six-year-old at home with me. I helped them with schoolwork during the day scheduled my meetings in between and worked till 9 PM some nights. We are all adults. It’s sad that some upper management doesn’t trust their team.

@tk you can’t find it anymore on colleague zone so seems to me it did change.

@rd the policy did NOT change. What changed was the required tracking of utilization. If you're workodel is hybrid or in office, and you aren't coming un, I highly suggest you change your work model or start coming in. Although the tracking has changed, it IS still looked at, believe me.

The policy DID change. Folks within 25 miles were expected to be in the office 3x a week, and it was being enforced through tracking of badge swipes and reporting employee compliance to managers on a weekly basis. Several months ago they announced that it would now be "manager discretion" as to whether they required their folks to come in, and it was no longer a company policy as they were no longer going to track badge swipes or number of days in the office. As it currently stands, it's on a department by department basis, based on the decision of the management in that department. There isn't consistency across the company any longer.

@p2 As someone going to office 3x a week, there’s no chance whatsoever that it’s being enforced if that’s the case (I personally don’t care, just an observation).

@OP The policy hasn't changed. If you're hybrid, you're supposed to be in the office 3 days a week.

I have high hopes for Nelson and really respect his leadership style. I hope he doesn't use the tactics of former leadership. Would be a shame.

@gj
I know another Executive Director that did the same thing. Must be nice. It will catch up.

The return-to-office policy applies to employees residing within a 25-mile radius of an office location. In a strategic move, my Executive Director sold her home and relocated 100 miles north to a small rural town, placing herself outside the required commuting zone. She now works remotely from that location and frequently reports sick or opts out of major meetings.

@e9 why do you care?

@em
Oh no..if you are a Sr Manager and up, you need to decline or reschedule.
This comes from a former developer who coded with toddlers at home and took calls while they napp3d.

It has become common place in meetings to have folks, especially director level and up, excuse themselves during the meeting to take care of their children’s needs. Some employees definitely take advantage of this, and don’t conduct themselves professionally. CVS should create a work-from-home expectations course and assign it to those who abuse the system.

If a mother has her children at home and is still working, what's the need for a nanny? Kids home from school at 3 ...who are in grade school...should she also hire a nanny?

That being said, yeah the old mouse movers and no response is old.

Now’s the time.

They really need to enforce this. Around our community, there are quite a few couples working in CVS IT who openly brag about all the perks of being home. They’ll talk about doing their grocery runs or shopping on weekday mornings to “beat the crowd,” and some even go off on camping trips for days without ever taking time off.

I even know a couple of moms who are watching their toddlers during the day while also working — basically saving on nanny costs while collecting a full paycheck. Honestly, I just can’t wrap my head around it. If they were called back into the office, I don’t think they’d be able to keep up this lifestyle for even a month.

Aren't most offices and buildings closed?
So is this for the CT/RI area only?

A Pre-layoff tactic is to require workers to return to office as a first round to weed out those not willing to come in. That way they leave voluntarily without any severance.