Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Oracle showed true colors early and often. Most (smart) people adapted (or simply left)

20+ year employee here from Support. I'll simply state this - had about 5 solid years out of the company and then you could see the downhill slide. Phased out bonuses and pushed salaried employees to be hourly long before that. 3% raise every 3 years (so effectively 1% a year) that puttered out about 8 years ago when they went to stacked ranking. That was the beginning of the end as only the top 5% - 10% of teams were rewarded and that was with RSUs (presumably to instill loyalty through vesting). Stacked ranking actually would take 16 member teams and only two would get Exceeds or Outstanding. 3 tops. That left 13 team members just bumbling hearing the words "o focal this year".

The deal su-ked for the bulk of employees and even the ones that went above and beyond didn't do well as RSUs became the only reward and raises - kaput. No cost of living increase at all in the highest inflation we've seen in 50 years. It was a raw deal but at that point you just pivot and make it comfortable. I took every advantage over Oracle that they exercised over me. I still did fine on reviews and was still top 20% contributor but that was done with the bare minimum of effort. Oracle wasn't "family" and I never let myself believe it was anything more than transactional. I used the benefits I had liberally and took what was available simply because if you wanted a "reward" it was best to simply decide what that was and execute it oneself. Clearly that didn't mean anything financial but overall it worked out. I wasn't butt hurt when I got the email the other day simply because I had truly checked out about 2012. I just looked at it like a nice 13 year annuity where I gave them minimal effort and they rewarded me with nothing for that effort other than continued employment. I did the math once and based on the time I worked there I actually made less in present day dollars than I did when I started. I didn't never get a true raise but I made less walking out the door than I did walking in. Crazy. Who structures a company like that? I know, many do but not the great ones. Microsoft tried it in the late Balmer years and it failed an an epic manner and they corrected course.

Can you build a successful company and culture like that? Probably not. I think these layoffs ki-l morale of anybody still within Oracle and any new recruits or offers will be very, very cautious about making a move. I truly believe to create something great you have to treat your people great. They did up until about 2003-2004. Gradually it became worse and worse and worse until they have what they have now.

Again, no hard feelings here. I think in my career there I dodged something like 15 layoffs but this truly was the one you didn't want to miss. The people left (on my team at least) to turn the lights off will be miserable as they are now massively understaffed. AI and maybe H1Bs or offshoring may provide some backfill but who knows and who cares. I wish the whole experience was better from start to finish and I could have had a career there I was proud of and ended with something akin to a gold watch, but that was never in the cards at Oracle. I simply bet on the wrong horse but I can honestly say I made the best of it, liked the gig and just never gave more value to Oracle than they gave to me. Again, transactional and you can't miss something you never cared all that much about.


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Post ID: @OP+1knngazcr

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@OP Ditto... never kissed boss's a, checked out around 2018 and got RIFd Sept 2025...
Now half the team is gone and glad I was not left behind to do the Sh
y work.

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Post ID: @v2+1knngazcr

Looks like we have a lot of H1B’s on the board. Hahaha.

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Post ID: @mf+1knngazcr

@e4 if you want, you can move any time. You won’t. Hahagaga

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Post ID: @ht+1knngazcr

@e4 I’m thankfully for the US govt. we now have a border and I feel protected. Work comes and goes…my pride of my country is forever. We can see UK, Poland, Italy and Germany are following suit and voting in the right people to lead.

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Post ID: @hs+1knngazcr

Oracle has the same moral high ground as the US government, which is to say, none at all!

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Post ID: @e4+1knngazcr

OP here. To the person who asked if I was in GBU or mothership…I don’t even know. That’s how much I checked out. I didn’t even know the management chain above my manager. Names were mentioned all the time and honestly I didn’t care enough to care. Never used any of the new tools and just put the job on autopilot as I knew I the products pretty well. Again, even with minimal effort I was top 25%. As transactional as it was to Oracle was exactly how it was to me. I knew the day would come but it was an easy gig and not much to it. If there was some show over the past 15 years there was a good company in there somewhere I’d maybe have done a little more but when the ultimate result was know none (layoff) and there is no pension or retirement? Sh-t, who cares?

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Post ID: @e2+1knngazcr

Totally agree, I gave my own salary raise by cutting working hours every year so my hourly rate at least go up 5% per year.

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Post ID: @dw+1knngazcr

@OP Were you in GBU support or the mothership? in any case, this type of structure and culture was always in my GBU. I stayed about 15 years. Then go really personal. It iddn't matter how good you were. If you took your orders, never questioned management, gossiped and told on people to kiss up....at years end you could bet you got a raise. Ironically, I dont blame Oracle the company for this. Then and now, I think it was just a matter of horrible people in positions of power. In any case, the morale was never high in my GBU. . .I remember thinking the guy who hired me was my "friend"...I learned very quick, not only was he not my friend, he would do anything he needed to to protect his back and he was under the complete control of our SVP and a director he was friends with. He was totally incompetent and ruined the early years of my career there until I got away from him, but he was always involved in things that touched my mgmt or my group. The guy was useless then and now. To this day I bet he hasnt done one thing that was of value to a customer. B-m. Oracle has a lot of these there.

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Post ID: @ct+1knngazcr

@ab phone booth analogy is amazing

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Post ID: @c5+1knngazcr

@OP amazing perspective and totally get it as I left in 2021 and checked out in 2016 after the same treatment in a GBU. The people that are left in my GBU, of course horrible mgmt but the others, they would be chum in this job market and none of them ever unskilled. Like you said, it was never family. When they make you think they’re family, they got you!

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Post ID: @c4+1knngazcr

There is no Oracle Alumni.

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Post ID: @bt+1knngazcr

I've often told people that working at Oracle was like 3 people getting dressed in a phone booth: the harder you worked at it, the more bumps and bruises everyone got. After the fifth time that a VP dismantled a hard-working group or torpedoed a successful project, the enthusiasm and initiative was used up. Free at last!

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