Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

@e9 first line (and 2nd and 3rd) mgrs have very little to do with this. Coffee badging and execs are the problem, but mostly the execs.

@df I think they have been stating this one way or another since covid was over. As a well compensated professional we do need to take some accountability for planning. Life happens, we lose our jobs our kids get sick. No one is going to bail us out. Be proactive so you are not a victim.

@gd Are these coworkers with unpredictable hours pushing their work off on you? Are they missing deadlines? Do you need to speak with them face to face at that exact moment in the day? If not, then why are you complaining?

I think they should require hall passes for when we have to go the restroom as well!!!!!

I have multiple coworkers who have completely unpredictable schedules because they're constantly taking their kids to and from places. I have no idea when, or if, they'll be online during typical working hours. That is unacceptable. If managers actually managed and were willing to tell people like this to work normal hours. we all probably wouldn't be suffering through this crackdown.

@fz

Wow, you got all puffy in a hurry. Means that there is truth in my post.

Run along now and try to find a way to get some work done, even if you have do do it all by yourself.

Focus really hard, on just your own assignments. Block out all distractions, yes, even if someone arrives late and/or leaves early. It's called being a professional. Maybe you've heard others mention it here and there.

I know it's super duper challenging, all alone in a big and scary world. But you can do it!

@fr+1k7xg3kqf Calm down lil’ keyboard warrior. That’s cute, but has no relevance to the situation I’ve described. Yes, when he’s out and not doing his job, it affects other people in the organization. Not a difficult concept.

@e9+1k7xg3kqf

Yes yes, the same people that fired 100,000 people already and can't wait to get rid of the last 150,000 of us are super concerned about employee behavior. lol, GTFO with that ridiculousness. The only time they care is if they get the idea that they can use said behavior to term people for cause and save on severance expenses. Otherwise they couldn't care less. We don't matter because we're 'dead people walking' no matter what we do. Now, I&P, they matter. Executives too. Sales people? Ok. The rest of us? Not at all. We're just waiting on the severance whether we know it or not.

@bw

You are unable to maintain satisfactory productivity on your own work, without the presence of this coworker?

Working independently is a basic requirement for building any type of career and it sounds like you are several steps behind where you should be. You may want to address that deficiency prior to timekeeping anyone else.

@br What is truly funny is that you think it does not.

This thread is prime example of showing the same side of a coin but one example does not recognize the other. Anyone outraged at change are institutionalized and have been here far too long and have been far too comfortable. If you take offense because ”IM A GREAT EMPLOYEE!!” well maybe it’s not directed AT you but you are a casualty of the policy?

It is naive to think that employee actions played no hand in this. Had first line managers been actual managers culling the terds all along we would not have ended up here.

@bs perfectly said. I can understand this expectation but to tell us without notice and not allow us to make arrangements for after school sports, etc. is pretty heartless.. especially when some of us have cared about the success of this company for many many years in exchange for this flexibility.

@c4 Considering that they made the office environment into Temu Google, can you blame people for choosing their private home offices? Especially those of us with no team colocated and only Teams meetings.
Besides, I couldn’t find anyone to collaborate with. I don’t know where they sit since it changes every day.

It wasn’t until I took a management job that I realized how widespread and aggressive abuse of remote and flexible work arrangements is. As one who always approached the newfound tolerance we experienced after COVID with caution, gratitude, and responsibility, I was oblivious to just how many people readily incorporated abuse of it into their lifestyles. The crackdown is unfortunate, but be sure to assign blame where it belongs: The employees among us who ruined it for everyone.

Meanwhile, this company’s too large to offer tailored responses to everyone’s special parenting/health/etc needs so now we all have this rigid regimen that’s been handed down.

OP: if you think WF is the only place that doesn't let you leave in the middle of a workday, every day, for child care - you are living in a hallucination bubble of priviledge.

It appears that the Wells life is not about you, the employee, anymore. Doesn't take too much to see that the "8 hour rule" is just another arrow in the quiver of Wells Fargo Management bullies. It appears they want to use this performance indicator in their rank and yank system. What a shame.

@bw+1k7xg3kqf

What a sad culture we’ve created. You said that no one wants to be the first to say anything this guy in fear of feeling like a je-k…the reality is, HE’S the je-k for doing all that and creating a burden on his work group.

I have a coworker who’s constantly out during business hours attending to his kids. Sports games, field trips, school events. To his credit, he seems to work after hours and his tasks get done. However, his constant absences during work hours, when he should available and accountable to coworkers and other departments, are very disruptive to everyone else. The rest of us are in an awkward spot where nobody wants to be the first to say something and seem like a je-k. Folks, if you have chosen to have kids, it’s your responsibility to see to their care without drafting your coworkers into helping to shoulder the burden.

Please send all your insights to the EEOC. They’re compiling information and getting ready to confront the company.

@bs management can’t be this naïve/ignorant. This is a strategic, implemented and well executed business plan.
Maybe AI is playing on taking over your position. Perhaps the company is concerned about unions being created.
I suggest you report your findings to the EEOC.

I had before and after school daycare for this reason. Most jobs do not allow for this flexibility that I worked before. What’s bothersome is the top knew that they were flexible and to change that on a whim and not give employees time to make this change is terrible. For years RTO has been, here is this change coming… this tracking 8 hours in office was do this right now! It was harsh and ki-led morale even more. It’s very hard to sit in an office where everyone is miserable.

@bn+1k7xg3kqf

It's funny that you still think employee behavior has any impact on Hudson Yards actions. It really doesn't. When RTO first started, you guys were saying that the layoffs were to get rid of the noncompliant. Maybe a TINY percentage of the layoffs very early on had anything to do with that, but for literally years now almost everyone being downsized is compliant with the mandate. Whether you comply or not is irrelevant. They want you gone either way.

People all over the country who have kids somehow are smart enough to figure out how to get them home every day without leaving work at 230 every day. Obviously you aren't one of them. If you have a doctor's appointment take pto, thats what its for, or make the appointment on a wfh day. Once again most nonmorons have been able to figure this out as well. And dont even pretend people like you ever come in to the office for any reason other than to coffee badge. We've all been watching you and know better. Grow up or go find one of these imaginary jobs where you do whatever you want and they gladly throw money at you.

I know several people at other companies that need to pay for before and after care. Same for Wells pre-COVID.

Seems we are mixing up privileges and entitlements

The drive towards 8 hours in office solely rests with those of your and my peers who left the office and never reconnected. The percentage of employees to whom this applies is astounding. This would be the productivity metric- which although imperfect and Aldus Huxley-esque in its invasiveness and collection methods- has been accurate enough to know there’s a great many perpetrators if only by how the metric improved once the new policy was announced.

Eg: this overreaction was brought on ourselves by ourselves.

@bg I agree.

Fellow employees and shareholders aren’t here to subsidize your parenting during business hours. Before breeding, make sure you have the resources to take care of your kids.

Completely agree! These new rules make it so hard to balance parent work life.. and for a company I’ve worked my behind off for two decades and cared about so much. It’s sickening.

It being maddening and tanking morale is the entire point. Voluntary attrition is all that matters to these people. Everything else takes a back seat to that objective.

And they will tell you that this is to better align us with our industry peers, which is an outright lie. I’ve spoken with neighbors and friends who are director level at two other large banks in my city. Both are 3/2 with in office hours unmonitored.

Just tell us that you’re copying JPM because you’re too scared to think for yourselves.