Thread regarding TIAA (TIAA-CREF) layoffs

Random Musings For The Greater Good

I realize that nothing will ever change as a result of anything expressed on this site. For lack of a better explanation, it primarily exists for purposes of letting off steam. And with the understanding that this site is named TIAA Layoffs, as a longtime associate I'd like to nevertheless share some more general impressions about the current state of the company. Agree with me or not, here goes....

The current culture is as bad as I've ever seen. Morale at all sites is if not miserable, then catatonic. Our vaunted in office "collaboration" is by and large a myth, as most employees subject to the three day a week hybrid model will come into the office just consistently enough to remain under the radar. The company is in a cost cutting mode, so it's understandable that past luxuries like company-sponsored travel, off site team building sessions or simple social functions like bowling or a attending a local ballgame have all gone by the wayside. Still, events like that, big and small, helped provide the glue and cohesiveness that kept our people engaged and engaged. And now they're gone.

Our current CEO and her inner circle entourage of senior leaders in reality provide no substantive leadership whatsoever. Her occasional dog and pony tent show revival meetings are loud and brash, but do little if anything to promote confidence in TIAA's future. My gut tells me that deep down she understands that better than anyone, even as she tries to project the image that she somehow cares about us as individuals. In reality she is all about embellishment and self-promotion, little else seems to matter for her.

A little further lower down the pyramid, a small army of senior and middle level managers (um, excuse me, "people leaders") have sold their collective souls and acquiesced to specific changes that they know in their hearts are not in TIAA's best interests. Still, the price of dissent, even in it's smallest form, would probably amount to career harakiri, especially in the current atmosphere where long-time colleagues just seem to regularly and without notice disappear. I guess better to go with the flow and ride it out for as long as you can tolerate it.

And as far as the record keeping side of the business, I sincerely wish the company success in it's partnership with Accenture. Here again though, I don't foresee that this is going to reap the benefits that have been touted so loudly over the recent months. On paper automation and AI are wonderful tools, but they will never replace the accumulated knowledge, experience and talent of the very associates whose heads are going to be under the block. And I'm not speaking just of the Denver office. Long lasting shockwaves are going to be felt in New York, Charlotte, Dallas and the smaller offices as well. The old adage that you get what you pay for is as true here as it ever was. You can cut salaries and replace tenured employees with entry level ones, but trust me, our clients are going to feel the difference. And I don't necessarily think that they'll always view it as a positive one.

Anyway, thanks for listening. I'd love to hear what the rest of you are thinking too. Stay safe.

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Post ID: @OP+1jpp0vhsr

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The only people working hard at TIAA were folks in operations and on the phones. Those roles were about the only ones with any real measurable goals and the only ones ever held accountable. When the lowest paid people in your org are held to the highest standards, you have problem. All of the Manager, Director, VP levels of basket weaving, people love, and general business prevention were and are a waste of a paycheck...a big one at that.

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Post ID: @1hr+1jpp0vhsr

To the person making 6 figures and didn’t do sh!t in the office, your peers had to pick up the slack for you. Trust that plenty of work was being done, just not by you. It is a shame management lacked the ba--s or clarity to address the problem instead of just giving your work to somebody else.

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Post ID: @1gv+1jpp0vhsr

Things I did while making a healthy six figures as a TIAA employee for a decade...took naps at my desk, went on hour long walks around town, left at 2pm to start happy hour early, stare blankly at my screen during zoom calls, pretend that I cared about all the DEI junk, jiggle my mouse every once in a while when working from home, watch executives do the same stuff I was doing, get good reviews, do about 5 hours of actual work per week, and then collect a nice severance when I left. This place has been doomed for a long time. Worse than the federal government in terms of accountability and actual output. A real life Office Space.

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Post ID: @14p+1jpp0vhsr

WTF TIAA, I’m a participant in one of your plans with over $1m balance. I’ve been saving my whole career 15 years from retirement so I thought it was time to meet with someone to ensure my portfolio is properly balance and to review my wife’s stuff at Empower. I scheduled a 30 minute virtual meeting and the earliest available was 2 months out? The day before the WMA canceled and I was back to square one, needing to reschedule. I then had my wife schedule with Empower, we had an awesome in person meeting within a week. I’m just not feeling like TIAA is walking the walk. Maybe a little less Davos and industry accolades and a bit of focus on the basic that a long time participant expects and has been promised.

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Post ID: @n7+1jpp0vhsr

I guess reading comprehension isn’t a skill here. The poster never said they were hired for the team of six that do the work of 340 @ TIAA. They were using this as an example of how other companies do things better with less resources.

No wonder this company is in the sh----r..,

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Post ID: @n2+1jpp0vhsr

Maybe they hired her because they only had 5 people and they needed 6?
A lot of companies actually try to staff appropriately

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Post ID: @hv+1jpp0vhsr

I am replying to this person." What took 340 employees to support at TIAA takes 6 employees to perform using a high level of automation." If they only need 6 employees. Why did they hire you? And your job will not be guaranteed anyway. Good luck to you.

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Post ID: @he+1jpp0vhsr

I recently left the Denver office for a competitor with about 1/2 the client base of TIAA. When I got here I was shocked at the level of efficiency. What took 340 employees to support at TIAA takes 6 employees to perform using a high level of automation. Good luck.

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Post ID: @ev+1jpp0vhsr

I would say the majority of people in Denver have moved on and accepted the impending layoffs. Most of Denver is going to chug along till the big date, BAU BAU until the big date. The problem is going to be for the ones left in the remaining sites. There has yet to be any hiring or training for new FT employees. The working force for implementations is already over capacity—management themselves showed us pretty charts saying we’re short just about everywhere. And yet, projections for more implementations and the complexity of our products is increasing. Then, we’re going to blow off the other foot and remove decades of experience from the pool. It simply does not math.

Unfortunately, what’s going to happen is something big is going to go wrong because there wasn’t a senior around to catch it and/or fix it in a timely manner. TIAA is going to lose that client. Other clients are going to follow suit. Management is going to turn to the peasants and ask why they didn’t do it correctly. And the peasants are going to respond, “I don’t know what I don’t know.” Additional huge investment in overhauling the department is needed. Record keeping services gets sold off to another company. Separated from TIAA, Nuveen becomes a fund company similar to Vanguard.

Suggestions for non-Denver sites: there is massive opportunity to step up and rise in the ranks right now. Knock it out of the park, work hard towards promotions and demand it—downsizing means each position is more critical. Use that title to find a new job that’s more stable. Think about it, would you pick a company that just had a bunch of layoffs for your retirement plan or would you pick Fidelity/Vanguard/Schwab? TIAA Traditional is becoming an outdated investment and that’s TIAA’s strongest leg.

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Post ID: @et+1jpp0vhsr

The reason they are offering referral is because they want to use the talking point that enployees LOVE to work here so they are inviting their near and dear to join. However, there are barely any jobs here. Check the open roles. Most open positions are in India.

Additionally, we are letting go of the poor folks who recently joined the company, last-in, first-out.

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Post ID: @eg+1jpp0vhsr

I never saw a point in going into the office for those of us who worked with people who were never in that office. I mostly work with people who were not based in the office I was in or were not required to come into the office at all. I could never understand why I was in the office to get on a team's call when I could easily do that at home. Then we were still siled so much in our knowledge and not really given any chances to spend our knowledge. Especially when it came to stuff that we didn't know that we should know. Nobody explained diddly or squat to us, especially at the end of the line like those of us that were in the web publishing.

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Post ID: @e3+1jpp0vhsr

@a5+1jpp0vhsr then pray tell oh enlightened one! Tell us plebes what we don’t know as you pontificate from your ivory tower…

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Post ID: @de+1jpp0vhsr

@d6+1jpp0vhsr
Sure. It’s because practically no one from Jacksonville or Denver/Broomfield are moving to Frisco and they can’t find the talent there on their own and want associates help. Trying to find talent to fill voids of smaller layoffs and larger office closure layoffs. We used to have referral bonuses but they went away for a while and only some areas kept them. I’m sure they will offer Frisco relocation packages (though much less money than the recent ones and some not at all) to Charlotte and other folks who are interested in moving there.

So nothing new here other than they are realizing how sc--wed they will be when Denver folks take severance packages versus relocation offers. Sources say less than 20% relocated (so like 20 people of 100+?…) and probably around the same number for Denver (maybe 100-200 out of the original over 1,200 folks before Accenture transition) will relocate. Presumably they expected closer to 50% to move which is laughable.

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Post ID: @dc+1jpp0vhsr

Can someone explain why we are laying people off but offering $2000 referral bonuses?

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Post ID: @d6+1jpp0vhsr

They have been trying to use layoffs as their growth strategy for the last several year. Layoffs is a survival tactic and can’t really sustain the company for long.

The EC is already scouting for their next roles with their possibly paid for, fake accolades - most influential??

This company needs a grown up to helm it not an entertainer, and layoffs shouldn’t be based on the current role but put each person in a room by themselves for a couple of hrs and see what tangible value they are able to bring - it cant just be oversight.

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Post ID: @c4+1jpp0vhsr

No one tell the OP about the wealth trip to Cali this week.
But it is true that in office work is a joke. It isnt about collaboration and honestly I can't figure out why it is a requirement. Maybe to help build the value of the Frisco office. Or maybe petty power trips.

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Post ID: @a7+1jpp0vhsr

Wow OP! Very profound. You were very thorough and detailed with this post. I 100% agree with everything you said and wish I could articulate in such a way that you were able to.

Your comment on the associates subjected to 3 day week is completely accurate and without a shadow of a doubt the biggest issue so many of us face each and every day.

We go to the office primarily to not collaborate but to meet a metric and not get punished, like a strict incompetent or abusive parent would try to “teach” or treat/train their child(ren).

Some go in for 8 hours some do 2 hours or less, random times, just to get a count for a day. If leadership would stop caring about badge swipes and start caring about associates and team building, uniting associates in our mission to support our clients, we may actually WANT to come in the office again and be together. Some may even go back to 5 days a week. I know I would be fine to go in 5 days a week, but we’re not respected enough by this leadership to be that engaged… plus it’s not like our leaders are in office 3-5 days either as we never see them on campus, in the cafeteria or whatever.

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Post ID: @a6+1jpp0vhsr

There's a reason the folks who post on here are "ICs" or at best low level managers. The perspective on what happens at the top or middle of the house is just not accurate. Maybe that shows the mid and senior leaders are really not getting the message lower.

But you're outing your level at the company when you say things like this. As if mid level managers can push back against senior leadership if they didn't agree. If that worked, you guys would post on here how weak senior leaders are because they don't stick to their g-ns when mid level managers push back.

In fact, you don't even know if that happens. You just don't understand what's going on at the company so rather than spend time educating yourself, you complain here.

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