Got a message from my manager saying full office hours are expected if you are in office :(
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@me literally no one is saying that wfh is only beneficial to parents. Of course it’s beneficial to everyone. I want everyone to be able to have the flexible wfh offers. Parents are just sharing their viewpoints and perspectives on the situation. That doesn’t mean we think that only parents should be able to wfh.
The idea that WFH is only beneficial for parents is a joke. It's beneficial for just about anyone that's in a role where tons of in person collab isn't necessary. It's also beneficial for just about every company that doesn't want to waste money on housing employees. Really, the only "problem" with WFH is that it drives employee satisfaction, which leads to strong retention. Both of those things are repulsive to Hudson Yards. That's its real "sin".
@k0 y’all really have a big imagination of what working parents want/are doing with their kids
@jz the banks used to be flexible about these things but now with this 8 hour in office tracking they are saying they aren’t going to be as flexible and that we have to ask permission every time we won’t be able to meet the 8 hours in office.
In this economy you are seriously saying don’t work? The world we live in now, families need a 2 income household even with living within their means.
Maybe they are a single parent and have no choice but to work.
Maybe they work so they can provide health insurance for their family? Maybe their spouses company doesn’t offer health insurance or it’s just too expensive. And for those of you that aren’t up to date on
health insurance options that aren’t employer sponsored, they are extremely expensive.
And lastly for those that say ooh well you parents made the choice to have children. Yes, we did make that choice but if everyone didn’t have children the world and economy would come to an end. I mean the government is actively trying to get more people to have children so “we made the choice” really can’t be your argument.
And you are not doing your kids a service by being in theirface every possible minute of the day. That’s how you raise tik tok scrolling losers that need safe spaces and crying rooms.
Who said being a parent was easy? Again, the banks of very flexible around these things. Of not YOU need to make the proper changes. Quit working and live within your means but that means no new phone every year or vehicle every 2 years.
Why is it the banks fault you plan your life poorly or cannot handle adversity in your life?
Try a new job or stop working altogether because I find it hard to believe you work for a manager that says stay in your seat and ignore your 4 month old. Grow up and be an adult.
@d8 spot on with this comment. Until you have children, especially young children, you people do not understand his hard parenting is. I get online in the morning for offshore then get my kids ready for daycare/school. Send them to daycare or school until dad picks them up, they are there for 8 hours! One of my children is chronically sick and I have to pick her up early for physical therapy and other doctor appointments regularly. I have child care for her after I get home but then I go back to work. I’m not going to send her back to daycare and drive back to the office for a waste of another hour driving. I’m usually in the office at least 6 hours. Now a new baby is on the way. Returning from maternity leave and pumping in the office is hard enough! That’s 2 hours of pumping in a 8 hour period. What will be the punishment if I am away from my desk for not having “mouse clicks”. How can a 4 month old be expected to be away from their mother 8-9 hours a day. I’m still working at home but can be there emotionally for my children when they are with dad or the baby sitter and having a hard day. I thought Wells Fargo was a family friendly company.
Not e3, but cams in meetings are a distraction and waste of time. In a real 1 on 1 conversion they could potentially be useful, so you can observe nonverbal cues. In a group setting there's rarely the time of ability to do that, it's just a sea of faces no one is paying attention to, and anyone that is probably is ignoring the actual content of the call. Additionally, there are benefits to not being able to see verbal comm cues. If a manger is communicating a policy they oppose for example, you might pick up on their disgust for it and that's not helpful for the manager or the company. I never had my cam. If forced under threat of term, I'll turn it on, no guarantee I'll stay in front of it though or that it won't be blocked by something.
@e3 why is that a problem? Are you trying to hide something? Can't find a collared shirt? Embarrassed with your face?
@d3
It’s clearly automated and costs next to nothing. There are no monkeys watching our monitors…
Executives saying we all need to pay due to a select few shows they do not want to do the hard work. Hold those people who abuse the system accountable. Leave those who consistently perform alone.
@dk "I've never had an issue so it's impossible anyone else under similar circumstances would either. Also - F Jes*s he was a long hair brown skin person. I don't have to listen to him! Now bring me my young child to "play" with! Merica!
@b7 Mmmmnn this boot tastes sooo good!!
My definition full is different from WF which is undefined.
Our executive explained that there are still huge numbers of a--holes like @e5 and now everyone is going to pay the price for these slackers and the coffee badgers.
lol, only a total jack A would give a damn about that kind of thing. I'll turn my cam on. It won't be able to see anything, but dang it, it'll be on.
@e3 is this true or joke? Sounds mo--nic but since we are at WF all is possible.
Sure, I'll keep scrolling tiktok for 2 hours at my desk, take a 2 hours lunch, chat with my coworkers for another 2 hrs and then maybe I'll do some work for a couple of hours before going home.
This will be great to log off after eight hours and be done for the day!!!! No more going that extra mile here
Was also mentioned that we have to be on camera for all teams meetings or they will add you to the report for not being present at meetings and managers will be notified.
This. I work 50-60 hours a week. Other than sleep, the biggest impediment to getting things done is driving around for no reason and pointless office distractions. RTO literally is the problem. Of course, that presumes you care about getting things done, which HY obviously doesn't. All they care about is attrition. Every single statement and act is intended to advance that goal. All of them. FHY and FRTO.
I don’t get this. Not everyone’s job is a 9-5 situation. One position I had in this job was one where we would have 2 weeks of grueling hours (working into the night) and then the next two weeks would be quiet. Some people work with Indian at random times of the day. I thought managers existed to make sure work was getting done… not making sure a 9-5 standard is being met. I get emails all the time from people at like 9pm. One sized fits all workplace is a bad way to do business.
Another situation where the “bosses pet” will be granted more flexibility than other people who they are trying to get rid of.
I can see it right now. Person A either requests an exception for mental hardship due to the new rules or tells the manager they have to leave at this time to get their kids/pets. They will be granted the exception or flexibility. Then person B who is not a favorite asks the same and gets told no.
There is favoritism all over this company, and people will be treated differently with these roles (just like location strategy).
@b3 so they have known for 2 1/2 years but no-one has said anything? Your maths aren't mathing. Same thing has been said about my international use of our VPN with zero consequences. "You're not supposed to be in Singapore!" "Huh, nobody told my laptop that!"
All jokes aside, I hear you. I just don't care. I'm going to skirt and ngaf until I'm terminated for cause. If I posted what I really do, ha, man. I'd be hated or hailed, no in-between. I promise to divulge when let go though.
Also, those that are trying to thump the "Exempt" drum, you do not understand labor law. Despite the WORDS that explain the definition of exempt it does not play out like that in case study and actual litigation. But you are more than welcome to attempt to set a benchmark. Many will benefit from it.
@dq don’t care.
@dn I bet your coworkers love you.
@dk yeah, you might be right about the overreacting. I’ve also never had an issue doing things for my kids and so forth but they’ve never tracked our in office hours which has allowed for that flexibility. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how strictly they are tracking and enforcing the 8 hours in office.
@d8 are you kidding me?? This is a job, with required hours. You don’t get to set your own schedule. I don’t care about you wanting to see your kid - it’s a decision YOU made to have more financial stability. Too bad, be a stay at home parent or , you know, be an adult and do what is expected.
I had some jacka$$ say they couldn’t meet between 3-4 every day as they had to get their kid. So…I need to inconvenience myself because of your decision? Find a different job and get agreement upfront on hours.
@b7 they did this to all of us by being lazy pieces of $hit. Sure you go straight home and work. After stopping to get groceries for dinner. Maybe the gym.
This position that ‘most of us’ work more efficiently at home in bogus. Most hardly work at all. Most don’t even hide the fact IN the office (I’m looking at you person watching court tv on your second screen everyday), so at home it’s worse.
My point is I have never had an issue getting to do things for my kids and so forth so I think people are overreacting honestly.
@de I never said I was right. Once again, I was just expressing a viewpoint.
Also, you haven’t worked a full day in years and are able to get away for events and your kids... do you think that will change once they start tracking in office hours and requiring you to be there 8 hours a day?
Don’t you think you are proving my point that we just want that flexible and that the 8 hour a day tracking is going to take that away?
You should just do your job. Just because you don’t like the rules doesn’t mean you are right.
Let’s be realistic here, no one is burning the midnight oil here and if they are it’s because they are incompetent and su-k at their job. I have not worked a full day in years here. Always able to get off for the kids events or anything else. Reality is people are lazy today and use their kids and now pets as reasons to have to be at home. 😆
@dc and we see why the world is the way it is today because of people like you who see parents as whiny entitled babies for simply expressing their viewpoints on an issue.
You should try having a little more sympathy for people.
I see why kids are messed up, even their parents are whiny entitled babies 🤣🤣🤣
We just need one exempt employee in California to sue their a-s. Please do so asap
@bk here we go again with the people who don’t have a life outside of work and love the office.
A majority of parents who are complaining send their kids to daycare, school, before school care, after school care.. we aren’t wanting to work from home so we can also watch our kids the entire day.
We would like to work from home so we can spend time with them before/after school and in between working. We want to see them get to school, get home from school, go to their sporting event, help them with homework, and yeah also have some fun with them.
We don’t want to feel like we have to rush every moment along to get to an office, to do the exact same work we could do at home.
We don’t want to send our children to some sort of care for 8+ hours a day. We will get our 8 hours of work done without our kids around, it just won’t all be during the typical 9-5. Some work will be before they wake up in the morning, a majority will be while they are at school/daycare, and some will be after they go to bed or maybe even while they are home doing homework after school.
If we are doing 8 hours of work a day, getting our work done, and available for meetings why does it matter where that work is getting done?
They still haven’t perfected the ability to track the days in office correctly so how are they going to track the hours in office correctly?
I wonder how much all this in office reporting/tracking is costing them?
You would think they would care more to spend the money on upgrading systems or reporting that would be beneficial for employees and clients. Upgrades that would make processes more efficient and in turn free up time for us to do other work.
Goes to show they truly do not care about benefiting anyone but themselves and their pockets.
If I was in a LOB that has been asking for money for enhancements for years and being told it’s not in the budget, yet it’s in the budget to do this, I’d be pi---d.
Guess what- I’m required to be on call. If you want me in the office then that means I get paged, jump in the car, head to the office and then start working on the issue. If it goes 8 hours then that will be my day in the office. Sure hope the issue isn’t urgent because it takes me 40 minutes to get to the office, then I have to park, get to my floor and log on. I’m asking everyone else that does on call to do the same thing.
Here we go again with the poor parents or poor pet parents. Childcare has always been expensive so su-k it up buttercup. Playing with your little brats when you are suppose to be working does not cut it.
Same for you weirdos with pet sitting needs, grow up and put your big person
pants on and be an adult for once in your life. Stop blaming the big corporate meanie for your inadequacy.
We all know half of you are not working so admit it already. Your daytime Costco trips will have to wait for the weekend