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Maybe open your eyes rather than rolling them. Your comment would have more credibility if this site wasn’t littered with demeaning, outright racists, and implied racists comments.
Keep fooling yourself.
Yes, let’s just call anyone against foreign workers taking jobs here racist. That’s the ticket, you’re a racist if you disagree with the current labor practices. :rollseyes
Choice words used “their people”. Maybe “their own country” was good enough.
Crazy how some people feel they represent all Westerners and think that their way of caring about their own people and their own country is the only way.
They use the same approach when you commandeered “patriotic” but really sh1t all over it instead.
“ Crazy how Westerners are the only people who aren’t allowed to care about their own people, and their own country”
Courtesy of the ‘usual suspects’.
If you disagreed with the premise upfront and nothing will convince you otherwise then just say so rather than being disingenuously cute about it.
I’m sure you know that there is lots of material out there supporting the premise. If you choose to label it as fake news then so be it.
If you are truly curious and want to learn then look up the benefits diversity has on organization performance.
Cultural diversity != genetic diversity
This is a non-answer - I’m not looking anything up as I did not make the blanket statement without sources that “diversity is good” you stated it like one states 1+1=2
Look it up. Lots of materials / studies supporting benefits across various ecosystems (including bio and workplace). Also the reason we frown upon first cousins marrying.
You may choose to ignore what you find out (which I expect will be the case based on your question but maybe you’ll surprise us).
Why is diversity better?
Fair point but it’s also just about people behaving badly and the internet / social media allowing for an unhealthy reach.
Oh come on now……
You learned in grade school that how you play the game is more important than winning or losing.
There is strong evidence in our lives (environment, nature, etc) that diversity is just better than not. But even if we don’t want to take advantage of it then don’t run the opposite way either and inhibit it.
I think Elon buying Twitter has had a much larger impact on the conversation than Trump has had tbh.
Maybe I should have been clearer. I really wasn’t trying to imply anything. I was just trying to say it outright.
Bunch of racist doosh bags on this site who now have a greenlight to be public about it with the racist doosh bag in the Oval Office.
Take your ball and go run home to mommy.
I think by and large we’re seeing the multiculturalist narrative you’re spinning here fall apart internationally…
Asserting it as fact and inherently good is boomer coded.
It’s been good for some, and bad for others, zero sum, there are always winners and losers and to assume you’re on the moral side because of “muh diversity” is infantile.
Calling out racism isn’t about scoring points. it’s about refusing to stay silent in the face of pain. When someone minimizes that, it’s not just dismissive it’s dangerous. Real strength is being willing to look at the impact of your words, even when it’s uncomfortable. Because for those of us who’ve lived with the consequences of prejudice, this isn’t a debate it’s a daily reality. And if you think empathy is weakness, maybe it’s time to ask what kind of world you’re trying to build."
Looking at the UK, France, Germany, Australia, Canada…I see the eventuality of liberal immigration policies.
I’m not interested, and I don’t believe it’s in my best interest to support it.
Nothing you say is going to change that, it’s a fundamental difference between us and what you and I envision the country we want to live in is and the culture within that country.
This is why there’s almost no wiggle room or debate on this topic now.
We fundamentally believe in different things and view the world through a different lens.
Trying to imply that people are racist just because you don’t like their arguments isn’t the “I win” button it was a few years ago.
We’re past giving a fu-k what you think about us.
I’ve got no doubt that a majority of the poster blasting immigrants as the cause of all their problems (at least economic related) and defending your points of view as simply pro- American are the same posters who blasted any and all programs aimed at helping disenfranchised Americans as being the major cause of your problems too.
I’m not trying to re-litigate inequality related stuff on this forum nor am I trying to change minds. But I am calling out the hypocrisy and the way you all mask things around some simple claim of righteousness to justify your viewpoints as innocent and pure. The underpinning of which are more likely based on intolerance and prejudice even if you publicly deny it (especially for the “Go Home” dude or dudette). I’m sure next week you’ll callout a new boogeyman.
Maybe that’s just the human condition at work (which heightens when friction surfaces against one’s “tribe”). Either way, it is ugly.
Wage increases aren’t going to happen when you can import a workforce that will work for less.
True, nationalism played a role in ending Soviet domination but that was a very specific kind of civic nationalism, rooted in democratic aspirations and resistance to Authoritarian control. The concern today is that many nationalist movements aren't driven by liberation, but are being driven by Exclusion, Fear, and Historical revisionism. Context matters, and not all upswings in nationalism carry the same moral or political weight.
History has seen similar upswings in nationalism and they do not end well
The one that ended Soviet domination of Eastern Europe did
If the system is hurting Americans, then let's talk about the real culprits not immigrants, but decades of wage stagnation, corporate offshoring, union busting, and a political class that sold out working people for shareholder profits. Immigrants didn’t gut the middle class Wall Street did. Raise wages. Rein in corporate greed. Invest in education and infrastructure. But don’t scapegoat the people who are often exploited by the same forces hurting American workers. That’s not patriotism, it’s misdirection.
That’s great, I’m not worried about India.
I’m worried about struggling Americans.
I don’t care why they’re coming here, it’s hurting Americans and the American job market that’s all that matters to me.
Americans with 6-figure jobs can barely afford housing and this guy says “let more immigrants come”
Surely more people wanting housing won’t push prices up more.
They want to come here to benefit economically from the system we have, they think the US is an economic zone and want to extract capital to take back home.
Look at Blind in the India section, the mantra is:
- go to USA
- get decent tech job, grind 5-10 years
- send money home
- get $1-2m NW
- go back to India taking all this capital
- buy land in India
- get servants
- live like king
That’s what the majority are doing, not bringing culture, and value to the United States, they’re EXTRACTING it.
If you confront them on this they will respond with “we are just getting back what you took from us with colonialism”
These arguments about the US benefitting from immigration are deployed to get Americans to work against our best interests and serve those who benefit from this system.
Modern immigration isn’t like 1900’s Ellis island.
The people coming then were largely western, similar values, wanted to integrate, stay and build a life here. They didn’t think the USA was an economic zone - they thought it was home and they shared the same western values the US already had.
That cannot be said with today’s immigration in the western world (Europe included)
I don’t blame the people wanting to come here to work well paying jobs. Don’t get it twisted. I am against the policies allowing it to happen and idc where they come from. Every job they take is one taken from an American worker (that’s all races). If they weren’t cheaper to hire on average then why would a company bother to hire them? The IT market is saturated and wages have been falling if you can even find a real job.
Please don’t paint your view with flowers and butterflies. There is a lot of bad sh1t underneath anti-immigration movements. At least own up to that if you’re gonna toss cr@p on opposing view points. Your position could carry more weight if you did.
Nah, you miss the point altogether. It’s not the pushback that many of us dislike but rather the hate and intolerance that underpinned these types of post and replies.
The “Go Home” poster could have attempted to make their points known and progressed a discussion about economics, immigration, the job market including long term population trends and potential impacts in the US. But instead they chose to repeatedly spotlight a very binary “go home” mantra.
History has seen similar upswings in nationalism and they do not end well. I’m sure there were lots of similar rationalization during those times too.
Western nations, have historically benefited from immigration—not just economically, but culturally, artistically, and scientifically. The “shriek and cry” isn’t about denying national identity—it’s about resisting fear-based narratives that pit people against one another.The Overton window may be shifting, but young people aren’t rejecting empathy—they’re demanding systems that work for everyone. They’re questioning exploitation, not diversity. They’re calling out inequality, not inclusion. And they’re smart enough to know that preserving culture doesn’t require building walls—it requires building trust, opportunity, and shared purpose.
Crazy how Westerners are the only people who aren’t allowed to care about their own people, and their own country without being accused of having a mental illness.
Wild.
Very interesting.
Your numbers are just wrong.
According to Forbes there are over 1.2 million Indian workers in some form of work visa pipeline.
This doesn’t even include those who have already gotten PERM.
According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics there’s ~23 million foreign workers currently in the job market.
An estimated 14% are from India - which works out to 3.2 million people.
Indians DOMINATE the h1b program, with over 73% of H1B applicants being from India for tech jobs.
73%
How is 500k Indians infinite. Can't find a job open up your own business and contract out to the businesses you are applying at. Dentists,attorneys do it all the time. Hope this idea helps.
I don’t believe you take on Ai is true, but if it is that is even more reason why we don’t need to be importing more Indians for these jobs, isn’t it?
If Ai is going to take all the jobs then why import infinite Indians?
You just proved my point.
Your hate is misguided. AI has taken entry level jobs look it up. We will all soon be on universal basic income because of a lack of jobs.
People are being laid off cause of artificial intelligence you as----e.
There’s tons of Americans laid off with technical skills who can do these jobs.
This article references an Oracle hire, they primarily hire software developers and computer science grads, if they need certain niche skills or tech stacks, they should train American workers.
This is working as intended, gone are the days they can hide these PERM ads in obscure newspapers as people have made tools to scrape these and post them online.
I say good.
Root of the problem are your damn corporations greed for profit. Why attack the little guy with your rhetoric you ignorant pig.