My top 10
It increases commute time & stress. Period...
It raises costs for emplyees...
It can reduce worklife balance.
It limits access to wider talent pools.
It hurts productivity for focused work.
It creates unnecessary office overhead.
It can lower employee satisfaction.
It makes caregiving harder.
It can increase burnout risk.
It is not improving collaboration.
@1a4 Academic research has not demonstrated strong evidence of why it's good. And the reasons that it can be very good, like close engagement with new employees, etc., we don't do here, and/or doesn't apply to most teams.
@1a4 if you're so smart why don't you lost them for us
Now list the ten economic reasons why it is good. So many d-mb asse$. And you work at a bank but have no concept of this…
Return to office in general makes total sense when you have a manager and teammates that collaborate and actually meet. The majority do not live in the same city you report to an empty dirty and ill office environment, where people now come in sick because they are forced to. Then you have the people that just abuse the policy which brings us to where we are today and will eventually be five days a week… Two middle fingers up to the coffee, badgers who ruined it for everybody else.
@m8 and now you're frozen in a remote position with no ability to move on or really even get a raise because they decided to change their strategy after they'd diversified years ago. Seems fair.
@kw that's a silly argument. If they can go back on their promises in a negative way so quickly they can course correct just as quickly.
If they want peope to shut up about it, all they need to do is "do the right thing."
@kx +1 was hired as remote in a state where there was no us bank. There is no "return" to office in such case.
@kx It’s over. I don’t like it, you don’t like it, most people don’t like it. It’s not going to change at least not for a long time. Time to come up with a plan and move on. There's nothing we can do about it. No lawsuits, complaints to HR, will change it. The Occupy Wall Street protests during the recession didn’t work because those working in banking and finance didn’t support them. I know my fellow co- workers laughed at them. We had are chance back then and we blew it. Be angry all you want but this is the way it’s going to be and there is nothing you can do about it.
@kn No, many of us did NOT. We were HIRED AS REMOTE. Not temporarily remote, not hybrid - REMOTE. Full time, full stop, REMOTE. We were "sent back" to offices we had never worked in YEARS AFTER BEING HIRED AS REMOTE. What do you je-ks not understand about that?????
@OP It’s over, nothing is going to change in the near future, so it’s time to come up with some options for yourself to deal with it. I know a couple people that have been looking for a fully remote job for 6 months, eventually they will find one. I suggest you do the same and chill out a bit. Something better will turn up for you. Many, many areas of the company were 5 days in office pre-covid and did not have the flexibility others did, including mine.
Did you take the job with expectations to go into office 5 days a week??
@kg the fact that you cannot work from home is not the problem of hybrid employees. If you want a hybrid job, apply for a hybrid job. But don't sit back and go "you should be grateful because I chose a job that doesn't allow it". A lot of us had remote or extremely flexible positions before all of this sh-t started, and we would like that back.
You realize a good portion of employees do not have the option to WFH. Quit bi--hing and be thankful you have the flexibility that many do not.
@OP Stop, your complaining will not work, look for a different remote job if you want a remote job. Look around, very few companies offering fully remote work. Companies don’t care about your commute or your needs at home. They just don’t, if you don’t like it, find something else or start your own business. Complaining about having a job that doesn’t allow you to sit at home isn’t going to win you anything.
@gt My point wasn't to advocate for full time in office, but that different jobs should have different levels of flexibility.
My remote position got pulled into the office despite there being zero team members in my state and the traffic and scheduling conflicts made my productivity plummet. The one-size-fits-all policy is beyond frustrating when it's nothing but 100% negative for me.
I'm not a hermit either. I occasionally went in voluntarily when there were events or people to meet. But I prioritized the work, and now I'm forced to prioritize... I'm not sure exactly... wasting time?
@eb I was 5 days a week in office pre-covid too and I agree this is much better. A lot of business line folks were 4-5 days in office.
@fx The official expectation is an average of "MORE than 60%" for that very reason. 60% flat will be considered not meeting expectations.
They're trying to make us jump through hoops that are purposely confusing so people will fail and they can increase attrition.
@eb I mean that's where we're headed anyway. This "hybrid" model is nothing but a ruse at this point. They want us in the office closer to full time, hence the 3 PLUS days being heavily emphasized. They really want 4 days a week. It's why they changed the calculation for how many days and it's set at 60%. The only way most meet that is 4 days a week.
@cy Sounds like it's just a team thing. Pre-COVID WFH here, and our team would drop everything if a teammate needed a quick hand or guidance with something. In fact, it's been harder to do that in a hub because I feel like I have to be more mindful of creating unwanted noise for someone else as a loner in the building.
@b0 Raising my hand here as the only non-client side facing employee within 600 miles from my Division of my BL stuck rotting in another BL's hub. Yes, I checked. Worse, it's not even a BL we would collaborate with on a normal day.
@c5 Pre-COVID for a lot of us was 5 days a week in office. I think what we have now as far as monitoring in office is way overboard, but I'll take hybrid over going back to 5 days in office.
@cc my preference for my working arrangements in 2019 is why the bank is failing? How, exactly? I was a hybrid employee then but I wasn't treated like I'm a kind in a daycare.
@d3 I'm not self centered. You're acting entitled. Nobody owes you anything. If you want a company to get mentored you're free to build those relationships or leave and find somewhere that is a better fit for your skill growth
This company has repeatedly shown us that we're not worth...anything. Mentoring falls into the category of "above and beyond", and I simply don't get paid to do now.
You're mad at the wrong people dude. It's up to you to seek out what you want instead of just expecting people to give you something simply because you're new.
@d1 so ... not a boomer but a self-centered fvck. Gotcha. Why don't you just leave with an attitude like that?
@cy yea but you think forcing people into an office is going to change that? It's not. If people were allowed some agency they'd likely be more open to mentoring young people or new hires. I can tell you that personally, I do not have any desire to mentor anyone. Had I been given a choice in my return to office and I wasn't being treated like a truant child, I'd absolutely be on board. But nah. Sorry. That's a big fat nope from me.
Don't be mad at the tenured folks for being unwilling. Be mad at the people that changed the rules in the middle of the game and destroyed morale and made nobody give a sh-t about investing in the next round of talent. We're already not getting raises. Why would we want to take on MORE via a fledgling? Hard pass.
You can go into workday and find a willing mentor, but the chances of them being in your location aren't great.
@c4 As a newbie who would LIKE to gain experience from seasoned/senior guys, it's a little hard to do when the WFH crowd doesn't care or want to mentor the young guys. So ... yeah ...
@c5 2019? Id--ts like you are why the bank is sinking. Fu---d up priorities
@c2 id much rather go back to pre-covid than whatever this bullsh-t is. My hybrid arrangements were 10000% better then than they are now in 2019.
@bh man who cares what someone is wearing when they WFH as long as the work gets done? You must be a musty boomer that thinks the world lives and dies by a traditional work schedule.
@aw if we want to go back to pre Covid era (and be d-mb enough to not learn anything from it) then shouldn't we get dedicated desks for everyone? Ya know ... like how it was before Covid. Speaking of before Covid we should also bump up salaries so they match inflation for pre-Covid and many such factors so we RETURN to Office.
Point being even if one wants it to go back to "how it was pre Covid" it should be exactly that way and not cherry pick. Let us know how you plan on pulling that off.
@aw You're right, Covid is over, so we need to get back to using common sense to maximize benefits and minimize negatives for each circumstance and avoid one-size-fits-all solutions. Before covid, in-office, hybrid, and remote positions all existed depending on what made sense. Now we make obviously terrible decisions somewhat opaque reasons and then lie about it. What kind of company culture does that build?
So yeah, enough with the covid and post covid mentality. Let's get back to professionalism and productivity yeah?
10? I will give you ONE reason - because it reduces productivity.
For those not too smart the obvious assumption here is that it only works for certain roles. A software developer can work from home but not a Teller. Teller can sign off after an 8 hour shift but a software developer is required to work until the feature is shipped or the bug is fixed so pros and cons.
@OP oh give it up already. That horse is well and truly dead. If you want to sit at home in front of a screen in your underwear, do it!
@b4 may both sides of your pillow be hotter than he-l and may your footpath be forever riddled with legos.
@b4 if people needed to work where a bank was located we wouldn't have mobile or online banking. Critical thinking must not be your strong suit. If we have customers out of our footprint we can have employees out of our footprint.
@aw - a century is a small amount of time in the course of human history, why should we be beholden to such a recent invention as the office when it’s already failing as a model for work?
Do you want to work for a bank or work in daycare, hospice, etc. If you want to work for a bank, you need to go to where the bank is located.
This just in from GK & the MC:
@ay what collaboration would you like me to be doing being the only person from my entire fu--ing team in my hub. I'm fine going into the office but let's stop pretending it has anything to do with collaboration.