Thread regarding SAP layoffs

Joule sentiment analysis hallucinations on management trust incoming.

@cb is it coincidental that Betriebsrat ends with RAT?

HR is busy as product mgr, no bandwisth for this

Wdf is full of such hire to retire type of managers who survive till retirement

@cx these managers are the exact people that SAP should let go of. But instead they keep growing and become group executives. No one can stop these well connected a55h0les.

My manager has consistently, for many years, received negative reviews on the survey. Rising stars on the team who were not supportive of him were eliminated. He is completely and utterly useless, but he knows the political game and lives in a country where it is impossible to fire tenured employees. The surveys really have no impact on how things are done at SAP so I am not sure what the use is, and I am glad that when they are leaked they expose the mismanagement that goes on at SAP.

@cc that was expected because of the layoffs that time. But this isn't the case every time. Where can we see the details of scores by T levels?

@c8 bullsh1t last years survey the higher the t level and longer service gave lower scores

@ca "Well, in that case there is, from now on, no point in the survey anymore."

This is exactly what they want everyone to think. So do not give up so easily. And talk to your Betriebsrat representatives so this doesn't happen.

And the next time you vote for supervisory board elections, do not vote for people who will destroy the company to maximize executive bonuses.

@c8 Well, in that case there is, from now on, no point in the survey anymore.

At least the current survey might still have some small meaning.

@OP SAP is not using this at the moment. But they are trying to change the way calculations are done under the hood. What HR wants to do:
1) For teams less than 7 employees, disregard all unfiltered responses. In the past, such employees were protected but their responses were counted towards L1 and SAP.
2) Give a lower weight to responses without comments.
3) Create a weight-based system such that higher L level employees, higher T level employees and employees with a longer duration with SAP (without break in career) will have a higher weight.

These changes will help boost the trust in leadership scores to unrealistically high value as higher L levels and long-term employees who are CK fanboys always fill the survey and always choose "strongly agree".
This also helps bad managers as they can be moved to an expert role or to a smaller team and they are then safe to exploit others. In return, these managers are expected to do what their group executives ask of them. I suspect this will be about giving very bad performance reviews to facilitate layoffs without severance. Interesting quid pro quo.
Also, this will decrease the overall survey rate. And if this is too low then most employees won't fill the survey as they don't see a point in it anyway.
And it will bring out the truth that not all employees are to be treated equally at SAP. Those that have been with SAP for decades and are at higher L and T levels are "worth more" and should be kept while other employees are cannon fodder who can be laid off anytime.

But this proposal is not finalized yet and will not affect the current unfiltered survey.

Source: I work in HR and have been a part of some internal discussions around this. Most likely this will come into effect later this year. But people will not pay attention or protest if their job is in danger. Gina and our group executives do not like the attention that unfiltered gets in the news.

SAP cannot do this, at least in Europe. Data protection rights would ban this.